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But BS said that Shaidar Haran couldn't do things in the physical world without aid. RugbyPlayingAshaman Send a noteboard - 11/12/2009 03:20:59 PM
I don't understand how he could touch Mesaana or cancel out weaves she has tied off or maintained, while not being able to affect the net of Compulsion set in Elza's mind.

Also, I was disgusted by what RJ had happen to Moghedien and Mesaana. I'm hoping the same punishment was visited on Moridin, Balthamel and Aginor - their failures were all more spectacular, and bullying the weakest of the female Forsaken lowered the scope of the evil in the series, and it seems to me that this is a blow that is worse than the breaking of Semirhage in terms of tarnishing the overall sense of risk in the series.

Dark One: You let yourself be killed by a tree, and couldn't defeat an Aes Sedai and five untrained children standing next to another Forsaken.
Balthamel: Oops, Great Lord.
Dark One: You're Reborn.

Dark One: You didn't do all that much, nor did you exactly fail. But you got captured.
Moghedien: Oops, Great Lord.
Dark One punishes her with Shaidar Haran.

Dark One: You almost organized the capture of the Dragon Reborn without much assistance from other Forsaken, even while manipulating the White Tower to not even raise an objection. But you didn't show up to an event where amounts of Power were being channeled in such a vast quantity that all the Chosen could have been wiped out in an instant.
Mesaana: Oops, Great Lord.
Dark One punishes her with Shaidar Haran.

The double standard is quite tiresome. And lame.
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This message last edited by RugbyPlayingAshaman on 11/12/2009 at 03:26:08 PM
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Two idiot Forsaken in the Prologue Sidious - 10/12/2009 04:31:10 PM 1563 Views
Oh you are being unfair! darius_sedai - 10/12/2009 04:49:31 PM 700 Views
LOL. Are you implying Mesaana killed Asmodean? *NM* Logain - 10/12/2009 07:13:27 PM 267 Views
That would be a funny twist, but in reality I think we all know darius_sedai - 10/12/2009 08:10:16 PM 562 Views
Yes; this pretty much matched my expectations - esp. for Demandred. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/12/2009 04:56:32 PM 706 Views
Mesaana was motivated out of... Logain - 10/12/2009 07:16:43 PM 623 Views
Ah, then she would be more of an idiot than I thought. 2nd Rate indeed. *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/12/2009 08:19:05 PM 237 Views
Re: Yes; this pretty much matched my expectations - esp. for Demandred. Sidious - 11/12/2009 06:47:43 AM 658 Views
But BS said that Shaidar Haran couldn't do things in the physical world without aid. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 11/12/2009 03:20:59 PM 565 Views
I think that just proves SH isn't gay! *NM* fionwe1987 - 11/12/2009 04:07:47 PM 256 Views
Or it could just prove darius_sedai - 11/12/2009 05:42:33 PM 542 Views
Re: Or it could just prove RugbyPlayingAshaman - 11/12/2009 07:00:57 PM 476 Views
I agree, but I think it's about the DO being totally random darius_sedai - 11/12/2009 07:07:17 PM 557 Views
Did he say he could not touch things, or that he just could not counter uber-channeling? Datakim - 12/12/2009 12:30:40 AM 497 Views
I don't ever want to find out who Demandred is Deadsy - 11/12/2009 02:47:58 PM 499 Views
Imagine how bad it would be if BlackAdder - 11/12/2009 11:22:56 PM 492 Views
I would say... Etzel - 10/12/2009 04:58:15 PM 617 Views
he hasn't really done anything lankyevilme - 10/12/2009 05:25:03 PM 609 Views
But the point is valid darius_sedai - 10/12/2009 05:32:12 PM 747 Views
I'm pretty sure he did something... Etzel - 10/12/2009 05:33:04 PM 598 Views
Re: I'm pretty sure he did something... darius_sedai - 10/12/2009 07:51:25 PM 481 Views
Yeah, but now Graendal is dead, while Demandred is still alive. *NM* Etzel - 10/12/2009 08:29:24 PM 501 Views
Re: Yeah, but now Graendal is dead, while Demandred is still alive. *NM* darius_sedai - 11/12/2009 12:17:54 AM 447 Views
I tend to agree Sidious - 11/12/2009 06:52:51 AM 611 Views
I think Demandred is pretty smart... Etzel - 11/12/2009 11:45:58 AM 513 Views
of course he's never set foot anywhere close to anything long enough darius_sedai - 11/12/2009 02:11:19 PM 484 Views
Is it smart to take a risk... Etzel - 11/12/2009 02:22:18 PM 470 Views
I think your making a lot of assumptions darius_sedai - 11/12/2009 05:40:47 PM 497 Views
Well... Etzel - 11/12/2009 06:04:47 PM 505 Views
Re: Well... darius_sedai - 11/12/2009 07:15:06 PM 633 Views
I agree that Demandred will fail in the end. Etzel - 12/12/2009 11:00:59 AM 494 Views
Either a Channeler or Mat darius_sedai - 12/12/2009 03:41:09 PM 418 Views
According to RJ... Sidious - 12/12/2009 12:32:12 PM 586 Views
makes you wonder darius_sedai - 12/12/2009 03:39:08 PM 496 Views
Re: makes you wonder Etzel - 12/12/2009 03:47:18 PM 473 Views
Thanks for the BS quote, that's new news to me! darius_sedai - 12/12/2009 03:55:37 PM 473 Views
Moridin didn't want to betrayal Sammael... Etzel - 12/12/2009 04:07:49 PM 461 Views
It amounts to the same thing darius_sedai - 12/12/2009 04:12:42 PM 499 Views
Then you could also say... Etzel - 12/12/2009 04:22:30 PM 458 Views
no actually you cannot darius_sedai - 12/12/2009 04:46:03 PM 460 Views
Ah, I give up... Etzel - 12/12/2009 04:50:07 PM 464 Views
thanks for your permission darius_sedai - 12/12/2009 04:53:01 PM 477 Views
To be fair, Mesaana's brood of channelers promise could still come to fruition. *NM* RandAllThor - 10/12/2009 04:58:28 PM 275 Views
Yup, especially if she is a higher-up AS in the tower. Lord Haart - 10/12/2009 05:57:12 PM 536 Views
Sanderson's first attempt at portraying the Forsaken based on character summaries in RJ's notes... Shannow - 10/12/2009 05:29:51 PM 681 Views
Well... Sidious - 11/12/2009 06:55:17 AM 518 Views
That was RJ's biggest flaw, IMO Deadsy - 11/12/2009 02:45:41 PM 529 Views
I'll respond to someone who wants to say that beetnemesis - 11/12/2009 05:19:52 PM 579 Views
Ya. Fain's a good exception. I still have hopes for him. And... Thereva was scary, but... Deadsy - 11/12/2009 08:32:38 PM 474 Views
Slayer/Luc/Isam is also pretty cool. Lord Haart - 12/12/2009 04:16:14 PM 469 Views
One theme of tGS was "The Forsaken are actually pretty lame" beetnemesis - 11/12/2009 05:12:55 PM 516 Views
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