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I was just rereading that section yesterday.... Light in the Night Send a noteboard - 10/12/2009 10:52:23 AM

I actually didn't remember the Aes Sedai with Rand had discovered it at all. Could you give me the quotes or chapter where we learned that?


I seem to recall that it was in a letter sent by one of the sisters to the head of the red ajah. Tsutama I think.


One of your problems here is that you are presupposing the existence of information that we have been clearly told doesn't exist based solely on your personal incredulity. The information contained withing the White Tower is not dependent on your ability to believe it or not.


We have neither been told or not told whether this information exists or not. Just because some random rebels don't know about it does not mean it is not written down somewhere. My assumption was that it would be based on the lifespan of the tower and the number of stilled sisters.

I cannot deny that it IS an assumption but it seemed reasonable enough to me that it would be discovered and recorded considering that it IS rather obvious.

All it would take is for one average brown to be accidentally stilled, to leave the tower, to discover afterwards that she can lie and send a letter to her former ajah explaining that bit of new knowledge. At which point the knowledge would be written down and stored for good. There must have been lots of sisters like that in the millennia the tower has been around.


It's in KoD prologue in a letter from Sashalle, telling about her, Irgain, and Ronaille being Stilled by Rand and then later Healed by Flinn.

Funny thing is, she doesn't flat-out state in her letter that she has been released from her Oaths by the Stilling. What she does say is that upon her return to the WT "she looks forward to reaffirming her Oaths to the Tower and her Ajah." (Not an exact quote, but really close.)

Here's the thing, she tells them in her letter that she swore fealty to Rand, and so she is bound to him until after TG. I read very closely, and saw no signs that Tsutama, Javindhra nor Pevara made the connection that by being Stilled, the three sisters had been freed of the Oaths. (I think they were too caught up in the revelations of her swearing fealty, being Stilled, and then being Healed, to really give it much thought. That plus they had just decided to bond Asha'man.)

We also know that none of the rebel AS ever thought about the fact that Siuan and Leane had been freed from their Oaths either. If they had, both would have come under suspicion and never been allowed to have the free reign they had.

All the evidence points towards the AS in general not being aware, or just not associating being Stilled, with being released from the Oaths. In part I believe this stems from the fact that once you were Stilled, it was unhealable, thus you were no longer qualified to be an Aes Sedai, and never would be again. (We even saw the Stilled sisters hold themselves apart from the other AS, and the AS could barely make themselves look at the Stilled sisters w/o throwing up.) Fairly complete disassociation.
Where once was Shadow
Now reigns Light
Darkness fades
Into the Night

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This message last edited by Light in the Night on 10/12/2009 at 10:56:15 AM
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I finished tGS last night... and really had to come back to you all. Phelix - 09/12/2009 02:11:05 AM 1555 Views
You bring up some good points BlackAdder - 09/12/2009 03:20:37 AM 1044 Views
What if Verin really WAS Black? Lord Haart - 09/12/2009 03:32:07 PM 852 Views
Pretty much agree with you. Great Lord of Chaos - 09/12/2009 03:21:08 AM 817 Views
Hey, long time no see. Glad you're back! *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2009 03:28:50 AM 421 Views
Good to see you too, F-T. *NM* Phelix - 17/12/2009 09:58:26 PM 306 Views
Silly Verin! She did not need to die. Datakim - 09/12/2009 03:53:23 AM 929 Views
Re: Silly Verin! She did not need to die. TheUltimateReality - 09/12/2009 06:11:02 AM 817 Views
And does she know that Stilling breaks the Oaths? *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2009 06:16:54 AM 356 Views
She should. Some of the Aes Sedai who swore to Rand had been Stilled and then Restored by Flinn. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/12/2009 03:18:10 PM 783 Views
Then, wouldn't the BA/Shadow just kill her off? I think it'd be kind of obvious what she did. *NM* Fox and Ravens - 09/12/2009 03:23:05 PM 504 Views
I think that's beyond the BA's capabilities. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/12/2009 03:48:03 PM 673 Views
Doesn't mean they experimented with it. Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2009 08:48:23 PM 723 Views
Rebels had no reason to research a way to break the oaths. Verin did. Datakim - 10/12/2009 02:00:21 AM 759 Views
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Verin should have figured it out Datakim - 10/12/2009 03:03:14 AM 716 Views
Why? Fanatic-Templar - 10/12/2009 04:15:45 AM 711 Views
I was just rereading that section yesterday.... Light in the Night - 10/12/2009 10:52:23 AM 894 Views
It all seems intuitively obvious to me! Datakim - 10/12/2009 07:58:46 PM 856 Views
Will you please look at your argument? Fanatic-Templar - 10/12/2009 09:40:42 PM 776 Views
Re: It all seems intuitively obvious to me! Light in the Night - 11/12/2009 07:38:17 AM 778 Views
The damn Oath Rod! Datakim - 12/12/2009 01:32:47 AM 915 Views
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She should and could have found a better way. Datakim - 09/12/2009 07:41:28 AM 754 Views
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