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You must not have been reading the same series I have. Legolas Send a noteboard - 07/12/2009 10:33:23 PM
I have struggled with Elayne and Egwene. I suspect the problem is that they are TOO realistic: teenage girls with a teenage girl world view (it's-all-about-me-pretending-its-about-you).

Here I can see your point, though honestly, if Egwene's guilty of that, most Aes Sedai other than Cadsuane, Moiraine and a few others are. Not being teenage girls, obviously, but self-involved and concerned with nothing but the Tower, their Ajah and themselves, not necessarily in that order.
Inexperienced, immature, hormonal, cute and powerful. No wonder Rand hides away.

Here, somewhat. Elayne has moments when her noble upbringing and lack of understanding of the real world shine through, but they're hardly that frequent, apart from the odd behaviour in SR and FoH; same with Egwene's occasional stupid ideas. And in later books, I don't think you can call either immature, much less inexperienced.
Think of of Elayne as Clare (Hayden Panettiere) in Heroes. Adorable, well meaning, and - to paraphrase Douglas Adams - brain the size of a small plant. (Doesn't dropping a vowel make a difference?)

Actually, she's one of the smartest of the main characters. And, considering her upbringing, surprisingly good at admitting mistakes when she does get it wrong, as seen from Mat's PoV.
Egwene is more Padme (Natalie Portman) in Phantom Menace. A 14 year old elected Queen (one of George's weirder ideas) with that earnest, well-meaning uppity-naivete that is simultaneously sweet and terrifying. Gawyn also suits as Anakin - ninja psychopath incapable of empathy or self-analysis.

Gawyn as Anakin is funny because it's so true. ;) As for Egwene and Padme, I haven't seen tPM in ages... but annoying as Egwene can be, and tiresome as her PoV gets, she's rarely naive.
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Semirhage and Egwene redqueen - 04/12/2009 02:31:45 PM 1660 Views
I agree with all of that. nossy - 04/12/2009 02:58:48 PM 898 Views
Re: I agree with all of that. *NM* Sidious - 04/12/2009 03:22:49 PM 431 Views
Re: I agree with all of that. nossy - 04/12/2009 03:29:46 PM 846 Views
Re: I agree with all of that. Sidious - 04/12/2009 03:33:03 PM 878 Views
Re: I agree with all of that. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/12/2009 04:13:55 PM 771 Views
The entire cast is full of Perfect Sues and Stuarts (I may have just made latter up) RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/12/2009 03:14:27 PM 904 Views
If you plan to write that review before the last two books are out, you better get re-reading now. *NM* Insomdeon - 04/12/2009 03:20:31 PM 377 Views
I'm actually pretty comfortable with it! RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/12/2009 04:12:32 PM 797 Views
Re: I'm actually pretty comfortable with it! darius_sedai - 04/12/2009 06:50:10 PM 822 Views
about Semirhage Sidious - 04/12/2009 03:21:32 PM 1215 Views
but nossy - 04/12/2009 03:26:29 PM 805 Views
Re: but Sidious - 04/12/2009 03:35:52 PM 791 Views
Re: but nossy - 04/12/2009 03:46:00 PM 837 Views
Re: but Sidious - 04/12/2009 03:51:03 PM 793 Views
Cadsuane is rather close to perfect herself. Legolas - 04/12/2009 08:37:21 PM 885 Views
Re: but TaskmasterJack - 04/12/2009 05:04:12 PM 795 Views
Re: but WAV - 04/12/2009 05:41:51 PM 807 Views
She was never THAT person. Wotmaniac Reborn - 06/12/2009 01:22:39 AM 775 Views
Never WHAT person? nossy - 06/12/2009 10:21:43 PM 803 Views
I'm not sure I agree Sidious - 08/12/2009 12:54:43 PM 670 Views
I agree! RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/12/2009 04:31:24 PM 765 Views
Re: about Semirhage redqueen - 04/12/2009 08:16:15 PM 794 Views
Alas, Semirhage was actually an idiot Etzel - 04/12/2009 05:03:48 PM 932 Views
Re: Alas, Semirhage was actually an idiot darius_sedai - 04/12/2009 06:42:41 PM 793 Views
If one compares the characters... Etzel - 05/12/2009 11:24:16 AM 725 Views
Did I miss Rand's marriage ceremonies? I always thought the three girls only bonded him *NM* Voscaia Sedai - 05/12/2009 11:27:36 AM 378 Views
You are right... Etzel - 05/12/2009 12:21:59 PM 754 Views
I disagree darius_sedai - 05/12/2009 05:11:28 PM 753 Views
Egwene had the best mix of teachers and a desire to learn. Most believable, IMO. *NM* fionwe1987 - 04/12/2009 10:17:56 PM 400 Views
That's really nonsense Etzel - 05/12/2009 11:13:20 AM 730 Views
I think your perception is very skewed darius_sedai - 05/12/2009 05:16:46 PM 734 Views
Agreed Sidious - 05/12/2009 06:15:46 PM 762 Views
Bull! fionwe1987 - 06/12/2009 02:55:13 AM 762 Views
Rabbit! BlackAdder - 06/12/2009 04:14:10 AM 700 Views
Re: Alas, Semirhage was actually an idiot Sidious - 05/12/2009 06:11:40 PM 742 Views
Indeed darius_sedai - 05/12/2009 06:30:39 PM 802 Views
And yet Egwene is still a fool regarding Gawyn. Lord Haart - 04/12/2009 05:44:49 PM 864 Views
Gawyn is a fool all of his own redqueen - 04/12/2009 08:02:10 PM 796 Views
Re: Gawyn is a fool all of his own Lord Haart - 05/12/2009 05:54:11 AM 704 Views
Please stop - your use of logic here is sickening! BlackAdder - 06/12/2009 04:43:31 AM 769 Views
I disagree with most of that rAndy aL - 05/12/2009 10:58:12 AM 776 Views
Egwene has a long way to go ... Abunderment - 05/12/2009 06:16:31 PM 776 Views
Hardly a blunder Nameless Ashaman - 06/12/2009 01:43:54 AM 736 Views
Re: Hardly a blunder? Send Egwene back to Silviana. Abunderment - 07/12/2009 04:03:08 PM 759 Views
Or she her rescue forced her hand. She lost her advantage darius_sedai - 07/12/2009 04:47:56 PM 664 Views
She lost her advantage?!? Siuan probably saved her life Abunderment - 09/12/2009 11:57:26 AM 759 Views
darius_sedai - 09/12/2009 03:24:34 PM 782 Views
She should have attacked when they first arrived Nameless Ashaman - 07/12/2009 09:35:33 PM 686 Views
Don't damn me, damn Graendal Abunderment - 09/12/2009 12:51:18 PM 721 Views
Re: Don't damn me, damn Graendal Nameless Ashaman - 09/12/2009 06:11:53 PM 876 Views
A couple of points darius_sedai - 09/12/2009 07:11:18 PM 762 Views
Yes, the Aes Sedai need to rediscover the meaning of "servants of all" *NM* BlackAdder - 06/12/2009 05:03:19 AM 718 Views
I'm re-reading the series now for the first time in years. Egwene has always been a weak character. Master Radishes - 07/12/2009 01:12:15 AM 754 Views
LOL *NM* Sidious - 07/12/2009 04:29:56 AM 303 Views
I think you'll find few people who agree with you on both of those counts... Legolas - 07/12/2009 01:53:58 PM 708 Views
Not at all. Master Radishes - 07/12/2009 03:20:38 PM 697 Views
Irritating teen spirits ... Abunderment - 07/12/2009 04:32:51 PM 783 Views
As long as the bags were Louis Vuitton all would be fine *NM* darius_sedai - 07/12/2009 04:51:13 PM 435 Views
You must not have been reading the same series I have. Legolas - 07/12/2009 10:33:23 PM 817 Views
Re: You must not have been reading the same series I have. Abunderment - 09/12/2009 01:12:56 PM 723 Views
Re: You must not have been reading the same series I have. Legolas - 09/12/2009 02:59:04 PM 759 Views
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