I think I agree with you, on the whole, but the incident with Sheriam raises questions about that. She's panicked, defending herself against allegations of being Black, and answers "Of course not" to Egwene's question whether she has red hair before even realizing what the question is. She doesn't have any intent to deny that particular question, thinks she's denying something else instead, so you would think it should've been possible to say that even with the First Oath. But no, Egwene and the Hall take it as very strong evidence that she's Black, as if a sister bound to the Oaths would've been unable to give that answer under those circumstances.
My belief is that it is perfectly possible that a non-BA sister could have succumbed to the same trick and therefore inadverdantly spoken a lie. Sure, the rebel hall took it as absolute proof of Sheriam being BA, but AS have always been very good at jumping to spurious conclusions based on flimsy or misinterpreted evidence.
Now in this case, Sheriam pretty much gave up because she knew that even if she could convince anyone that her slip-up was accidental and didn't violate the oaths, she still would have been required to re-swear on the oath rod and provide more definite proof, which she couldn't do. The gig was up regardless and she knew it.
Cadsuane lies!
06/12/2009 06:10:41 PM
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Re: Cadsuane lies!
06/12/2009 06:18:39 PM
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Sarcasm is one thing
06/12/2009 06:43:12 PM
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I disagree
06/12/2009 06:51:27 PM
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RJ has said they're allowed to be sarcastic
06/12/2009 07:07:32 PM
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How does that jive with the Oaths?
06/12/2009 07:13:21 PM
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Good point, but in that same book Tamra said that Gitara didn't say anything before dying *NM*
06/12/2009 07:53:31 PM
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Re: Good point, but in that same book Tamra said that Gitara didn't say anything before dying
06/12/2009 08:03:36 PM
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The Oaths focus on INTENT
06/12/2009 10:01:27 PM
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Because it isn't a lie
06/12/2009 07:44:29 PM
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I understand this, I'm not arguing that an AS should not be able to be sarcastic
06/12/2009 08:08:15 PM
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Re: I understand this, I'm not arguing that an AS should not be able to be sarcastic
06/12/2009 08:35:23 PM
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Quote for you
06/12/2009 08:42:52 PM
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The sarcasm was for him repeating himself to her. The "remember" is the part she's refering to.
07/12/2009 10:15:06 AM
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That's why I think this example of sarcasm works as opposed to Cadsuane who makes a false statement
07/12/2009 03:17:52 PM
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sarcasm is sarcasm. In both instances their is technically a lie.
07/12/2009 11:28:02 PM
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Not at all the case
07/12/2009 11:58:42 PM
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Do you really believe he waited till the last minute to tell Seonid?
14/12/2009 01:32:37 PM
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What about the Sheriam thing?
07/12/2009 01:49:32 PM
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Re: What about the Sheriam thing?
07/12/2009 02:15:25 PM
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But surely an Aes Sedai can answer a question she hasn't fully heard yet.
07/12/2009 03:06:34 PM
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I actually don't take it as proof.
07/12/2009 09:00:58 PM
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Sarcasm
06/12/2009 07:14:47 PM
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It's obviously meant to be sarcasm, I just don't like
06/12/2009 07:18:40 PM
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Here is what RJ said about it
06/12/2009 07:41:18 PM
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Well I have to say I think RJ made the wrong call with this one *NM*
06/12/2009 07:43:47 PM
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Agreed.
07/12/2009 01:45:39 AM
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You can already drive a truck through the oaths. Does this one additional tiny gap really matter?
07/12/2009 04:07:16 AM
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what do you think a RL lie detector would tell in this case?
07/12/2009 12:27:07 PM
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in RL you would get warned by the investigator to cooperate
07/12/2009 01:04:33 PM
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But how would the machine reading indicate?
07/12/2009 07:04:22 PM
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Usually you're s'possed to answer with a yes or no. It's easy to tell when you're evasive
09/12/2009 10:46:58 PM
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Where's the problem?
09/12/2009 04:18:40 PM
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It's in the way the Oath is worded
09/12/2009 05:14:39 PM
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PS You misread my original quote
09/12/2009 11:00:56 PM
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Lies, untruths, sarcasm, and meaning
09/12/2009 07:46:25 PM
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We are starting understand each other
09/12/2009 10:09:41 PM
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