Re: The Seanchan would see this as a good first step
Knightscape Send a noteboard - 06/12/2009 10:32:55 AM
Which isn't going to be big enough to fit a full Wagon. Seriously there is no way a damane alone could manage it.
How big are these wagons anyways?
I disagree. Not one of these things is connected to Channeling. And the Seanchan have witnessed the use of this weapon, or at least they think they have! There is no way that a few days of "I don't knows" from untrustworthy AS is going to convince them that they didn't actually lose a company of people to some secret weapon.
They have been searching for clues since the explosion. They haven't found any because the weave does not exist. Collared AS inform them that they know nothing about the weave. The former leader of the White Tower while being collared, informs them that she knows nothing of the weave. Either the whole Seanchan hierarchy is incredible dense, or they have to start having some inclination that maybe the weave doesn't exist.
If that was the case it would have already have begun. It's not been happening, better weaves aren't going to change that.
This is known for a fact?
And the common folk of Randland, especially in places like Amadicia, are uncomfortable with the thought of being touched by the OP too.
Some maybe. All, no.
I just do not see how hidden histories will do anything to help the Seanchan... at best it reinforces their belief that AS are manipulators. The 13th is all about what the AS hid from a handful of Nobles and other AS.
It does reinforce the fact that they are manipulators, but it also shows that they have had losses.
Yes, every other AS in the series has held it together for weeks or more, but Elaida the megalomaniac who will believe for quiet a while that rescue will come will be broken in a few hours. Her interrogation will be all about the weapon in any case... I'd be shocked if she 1. Thought to mention it or 2. has spent enough time in her few months with access to know anything that could be useful to them.
Elaida is going to break very easily.
As per the questions her interrogator will ask... what were the reasons for the raid again?
In Egwene's words;
"She'd fought. She'd been glorious and destructive, the Amyrlin of judgment and fury, Green Ajah to the core. And still, the Tower had burned. And still, more to'raken had escaped than had fallen. The count of wounded among those she'd gathered was somewhat encouraging. Only three novices and one Aes Sedai dead, while they'd gathered ten damane and killed dozens of soldiers. But what of the other floors?
The White Tower would not come out ahead in this battle.
She captured or killed almost an equal number of channelers as the damane, she killed 30 raken and who knows how many soldiers. ON the numbers they are close to even.
Egwene would seem to disagree with you.
But this day would still mark one of the greatest
disasters in the history of the Aes Sedai."
disasters in the history of the Aes Sedai."
Who is denying that?
You seem to be here when you say;
"Considering this a huge success rather than a draw is not IMO an accurate accounting of the facts involved.
I'm saying only that the Seanchan should not (and IMO will not) view this as a decisive victory. It's a loss to the Tower from Tower POV, it's the first time the Tower itself has been breached, initiates carried off etc..., but it cost the Seanchan dearly to accomplish it and Tuon herself knows that she needed a crippling blow to the Tower since she is in her mind declaring war on Rand with this raid.
The Seanchan go on a raid, and along with everything else they gain, they come out with the leader of the White Tower.
Imagine Rand raiding the Seanchan and coming back with Tuon. How could he not possibly think of that as a great success.
Now you believe the Seanchan have also gained full procedural knowledge from Elaida? Give me a break, the woman herself had barely a clue on how things really worked around her!
Elaida would have solid working knowledge of the reds system. Other AS taken would have knowledge of their own systems (at least to some degree). The Seanchan have a solid understanding of various AS spy networks.
As for fear, I'd say they just pulled a Pearl Harbor and have awoken the beast... the WT is now going to be quick to focus on stopping the Seanchan rather than looking at them as a far away and future problem.
I'd say the only thing they are gaining that they didn't already have is Traveling, which has more limitations for the Seanchan than the other groups.
I agree that the WT has finally woke up, and it would probably make for an interesting fight, but I don't see it happening with TG around the corner.
All good things come to those who wait.
The Seanchan attack and the upcoming round 2
- 29/10/2009 11:39:16 PM
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I don't see it happening that way
- 30/10/2009 12:00:09 AM
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IMO the Seanchan take over Randland, but Rand forces them to drop the damane practices.
- 04/12/2009 05:58:56 PM
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I think they'll see it as a draw or minor victory
- 04/12/2009 11:33:16 PM
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Traveling can be a huge advantage for the Seanchan
- 05/12/2009 06:15:37 AM
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Re: Traveling can be a huge advantage for the Seanchan
- 05/12/2009 07:19:31 AM
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Re: Traveling can be a huge advantage for the Seanchan
- 05/12/2009 08:03:53 AM
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Re: Traveling can be a huge advantage for the Seanchan
- 05/12/2009 05:40:51 PM
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Re: Traveling can be a huge advantage for the Seanchan
- 05/12/2009 09:27:23 PM
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The raid could have been far more successful
- 05/12/2009 10:13:07 PM
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Re: The raid was hugely successful
- 06/12/2009 01:08:44 AM
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nope
- 06/12/2009 02:47:49 AM
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Re: Egwene's words
- 06/12/2009 07:12:59 AM
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The Seanchan are likely to feel the same way Egwene did
- 06/12/2009 07:54:38 AM
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Re: The Seanchan would see this as a good first step
- 06/12/2009 10:32:55 AM
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