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Rabbit! BlackAdder Send a noteboard - 06/12/2009 04:14:10 AM
You can't seriously argue that it's more believeable that Egwene became a crucial player, than people like the three ta'veren or Nynaeve, or even Elayne and Aviendha. All of those have better abilities or had better training.


The three ta'veren? Mat and Perrin just rose into their positions of power due to magically acquired knowledge and ta'veren respectively. Neither really earned it, and became good at their jobs after being forced into leadership.


Except that Perrin is a nobody and probably fewer than 100 people have heard of Mat (outside of the Band and DFs searching for him). Despite everything, Mat really doesn't have much power or responsibility in RandLand.

Rand learned from Lan and Moiraine, mostly, but most of his teaching was something Egwene was privy to as well.


Yeah, I suppose we've seen Lews Therin's voice inside Egwene's head, and also visions/dreams with Ba'alzamon, killing numerous Forsaken, having an Age of Legends channeler (Asmodean) as a private tutor

Oh wait :rolleyes:

Nynaeve? Exactly what has she got? Few years as village Wisdom? That makes her sensible and tough, not world leader material.


But she's not a world leader. She's married to Lan. That's it.

Elayne had good teachers in Morghase, Thom and Bryne, true.

Aviendha was a stubborn girl, who knew nothing but to stab with spears. She has learned only recently how to be a good WO.


Right. And she's really not that good either, despite her "varied experiences" with the different WoT cultures. Look, she even Travelled to Seanchan! Who else can say that? :rolleyes:

Egwene, on the other hand, had Nynaeve to nurture her initially, then was really close to Moiraine, who thought her a lot. She spent a phenomenal amount of time with the Wise Ones, learning not just her TAR abilities but about how to turn situations to her advantage and to never give up.


Yeah, she was a quick learner. Moiraine brainwashed her like an old rag.

Then she was mentored by Siuan for many months, learning the subtleties of politics and the laws of the Aes Sedai.


True. This is a good point. Siuan is good a manipulating people subtly.
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Semirhage and Egwene redqueen - 04/12/2009 02:31:45 PM 1656 Views
I agree with all of that. nossy - 04/12/2009 02:58:48 PM 892 Views
Re: I agree with all of that. *NM* Sidious - 04/12/2009 03:22:49 PM 429 Views
Re: I agree with all of that. nossy - 04/12/2009 03:29:46 PM 842 Views
Re: I agree with all of that. Sidious - 04/12/2009 03:33:03 PM 875 Views
Re: I agree with all of that. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/12/2009 04:13:55 PM 769 Views
The entire cast is full of Perfect Sues and Stuarts (I may have just made latter up) RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/12/2009 03:14:27 PM 902 Views
If you plan to write that review before the last two books are out, you better get re-reading now. *NM* Insomdeon - 04/12/2009 03:20:31 PM 376 Views
I'm actually pretty comfortable with it! RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/12/2009 04:12:32 PM 795 Views
Re: I'm actually pretty comfortable with it! darius_sedai - 04/12/2009 06:50:10 PM 821 Views
about Semirhage Sidious - 04/12/2009 03:21:32 PM 1208 Views
but nossy - 04/12/2009 03:26:29 PM 803 Views
Re: but Sidious - 04/12/2009 03:35:52 PM 789 Views
Re: but nossy - 04/12/2009 03:46:00 PM 836 Views
Re: but Sidious - 04/12/2009 03:51:03 PM 793 Views
Cadsuane is rather close to perfect herself. Legolas - 04/12/2009 08:37:21 PM 882 Views
Re: but TaskmasterJack - 04/12/2009 05:04:12 PM 792 Views
Re: but WAV - 04/12/2009 05:41:51 PM 805 Views
She was never THAT person. Wotmaniac Reborn - 06/12/2009 01:22:39 AM 769 Views
Never WHAT person? nossy - 06/12/2009 10:21:43 PM 798 Views
I'm not sure I agree Sidious - 08/12/2009 12:54:43 PM 663 Views
I agree! RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/12/2009 04:31:24 PM 764 Views
Re: about Semirhage redqueen - 04/12/2009 08:16:15 PM 792 Views
Alas, Semirhage was actually an idiot Etzel - 04/12/2009 05:03:48 PM 928 Views
Re: Alas, Semirhage was actually an idiot darius_sedai - 04/12/2009 06:42:41 PM 790 Views
If one compares the characters... Etzel - 05/12/2009 11:24:16 AM 720 Views
Did I miss Rand's marriage ceremonies? I always thought the three girls only bonded him *NM* Voscaia Sedai - 05/12/2009 11:27:36 AM 377 Views
You are right... Etzel - 05/12/2009 12:21:59 PM 749 Views
I disagree darius_sedai - 05/12/2009 05:11:28 PM 749 Views
Egwene had the best mix of teachers and a desire to learn. Most believable, IMO. *NM* fionwe1987 - 04/12/2009 10:17:56 PM 399 Views
That's really nonsense Etzel - 05/12/2009 11:13:20 AM 729 Views
I think your perception is very skewed darius_sedai - 05/12/2009 05:16:46 PM 728 Views
Agreed Sidious - 05/12/2009 06:15:46 PM 757 Views
Bull! fionwe1987 - 06/12/2009 02:55:13 AM 759 Views
Rabbit! BlackAdder - 06/12/2009 04:14:10 AM 697 Views
Re: Alas, Semirhage was actually an idiot Sidious - 05/12/2009 06:11:40 PM 735 Views
Indeed darius_sedai - 05/12/2009 06:30:39 PM 802 Views
And yet Egwene is still a fool regarding Gawyn. Lord Haart - 04/12/2009 05:44:49 PM 864 Views
Gawyn is a fool all of his own redqueen - 04/12/2009 08:02:10 PM 793 Views
Re: Gawyn is a fool all of his own Lord Haart - 05/12/2009 05:54:11 AM 700 Views
Please stop - your use of logic here is sickening! BlackAdder - 06/12/2009 04:43:31 AM 767 Views
I disagree with most of that rAndy aL - 05/12/2009 10:58:12 AM 774 Views
Egwene has a long way to go ... Abunderment - 05/12/2009 06:16:31 PM 771 Views
Hardly a blunder Nameless Ashaman - 06/12/2009 01:43:54 AM 733 Views
Re: Hardly a blunder? Send Egwene back to Silviana. Abunderment - 07/12/2009 04:03:08 PM 755 Views
Or she her rescue forced her hand. She lost her advantage darius_sedai - 07/12/2009 04:47:56 PM 656 Views
She lost her advantage?!? Siuan probably saved her life Abunderment - 09/12/2009 11:57:26 AM 756 Views
darius_sedai - 09/12/2009 03:24:34 PM 782 Views
She should have attacked when they first arrived Nameless Ashaman - 07/12/2009 09:35:33 PM 681 Views
Don't damn me, damn Graendal Abunderment - 09/12/2009 12:51:18 PM 719 Views
Re: Don't damn me, damn Graendal Nameless Ashaman - 09/12/2009 06:11:53 PM 873 Views
A couple of points darius_sedai - 09/12/2009 07:11:18 PM 760 Views
Yes, the Aes Sedai need to rediscover the meaning of "servants of all" *NM* BlackAdder - 06/12/2009 05:03:19 AM 714 Views
I'm re-reading the series now for the first time in years. Egwene has always been a weak character. Master Radishes - 07/12/2009 01:12:15 AM 747 Views
LOL *NM* Sidious - 07/12/2009 04:29:56 AM 301 Views
I think you'll find few people who agree with you on both of those counts... Legolas - 07/12/2009 01:53:58 PM 704 Views
Not at all. Master Radishes - 07/12/2009 03:20:38 PM 689 Views
Irritating teen spirits ... Abunderment - 07/12/2009 04:32:51 PM 773 Views
As long as the bags were Louis Vuitton all would be fine *NM* darius_sedai - 07/12/2009 04:51:13 PM 433 Views
You must not have been reading the same series I have. Legolas - 07/12/2009 10:33:23 PM 815 Views
Re: You must not have been reading the same series I have. Abunderment - 09/12/2009 01:12:56 PM 720 Views
Re: You must not have been reading the same series I have. Legolas - 09/12/2009 02:59:04 PM 752 Views
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