There is no deference, which would be expected in their "game" of hating each other
darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 03/12/2009 07:38:57 AM
Before being Stilled Siuan was clearly stronger. Now she and Leane are pretty much equal in Power. If they had lost a set value from the Healing they would have maintained the same Power difference.
If you do the math (Siuan staring at 50 and Leanne at 45) they end up as a 16 and a 15 (very weak AS), which works cleaning if they each lost 2/3 of their strength yet wind up very close to each other.
I think a fixed % is far more likely in this case, for the very reason you state! The conduit needs the opposite source to be 100% effective.
If you do the math (Siuan staring at 50 and Leanne at 45) they end up as a 16 and a 15 (very weak AS), which works cleaning if they each lost 2/3 of their strength yet wind up very close to each other.
I think a fixed % is far more likely in this case, for the very reason you state! The conduit needs the opposite source to be 100% effective.
I think I worked out that they lost 15 strength once, though I used 10 in the examples above with Fionwe.
Siuan : 25 - 15 = 10
Leane : 24 - 15 = 9
That essentially makes them a third as strong as they used to be. There's no proof that they're equal. Leane directly says that she's weaker than she was, and so is Siuan, though both were once very close in strength.
Of course, I'm scandalized that you think that Siuan has a strength of 50 - as if two of her could match Rand al'Thor. Perhaps this is for that other thread though
Leane pre-stilling was about Sheriam level, and would have been expected to defer to one of Siuan/Moiraine level, if only in a minor way... in their current situation Leane is the "pet" because she has shown that she has accepted her new place... if she was weaker than Siuan she would not be able to openly be rude/hostile etc., which she clearly has been, and keep up her facade.
My thoughts on that are that Siuan and Leane were about 45-50% of the maximum strength of total female potential (which may be too strong, but given that 3 unexceptional Sisters, Daigian is probably about a 10, Nesune could be as high as a 35 and Erian(?) maybe a 25, could hold Semirhage (who is likely in the 85 range) this seems reasonable to me. Since we know a weaker channeler can hold a shield, this seems likely or they would have needed a fourth AS to hold the shield.
We'll have to disagree on how we view the scales until we are given something definitive... I believe the AS have a wider spread amongst themselves than the Forsaken do... as in maybe 25 point spread between the highest and lowest FS and probably a 50 point spread between highest and lowest AS.
As to Rand, It's well known that men have several levels above the highest female potential. The numbers themselves are only really relevant in terms of how much weaker they are than before their Stilling. I'm not assuming Male and Female strength is on the same scale! Rand on the female strength scale could be a 150 for all we know!
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Moiraine and Lanfear
01/12/2009 10:24:54 PM
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Healing, huh?
01/12/2009 10:58:00 PM
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I'm betting she decides to stay a non-channeler and put her past behind her. *NM*
01/12/2009 11:09:32 PM
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I don't think Moiraine was stilled.
01/12/2009 11:19:03 PM
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what about Lan's bond
01/12/2009 11:23:35 PM
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The doorway melting and snapping the bond is simple enough for me *NM*
01/12/2009 11:24:07 PM
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Re: Moiraine and Lanfear
01/12/2009 11:27:49 PM
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I think that since Moiraine was in another dimension, the Bond passed to the closest holder.
01/12/2009 11:43:15 PM
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but she'd been there before
01/12/2009 11:51:41 PM
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I don't understand why you think there are too many assumptions
02/12/2009 12:57:50 AM
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Exactly. Thanks for translating in fewer words than I would have used *NM*
02/12/2009 04:21:06 PM
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that assumes quite a bit about the structure of the bond
02/12/2009 07:45:37 PM
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no more than the assumptions of the actions take on the other side of the door!
03/12/2009 07:51:59 AM
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Best. Slashfic. EVER!
02/12/2009 12:38:06 AM
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BS not committing to the Cyndane = Lanfear scenario has me wondering as well
02/12/2009 02:51:30 AM
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The only possibility is "something weird" if Cyndane ISN'T just "Lanfear"
02/12/2009 05:26:23 AM
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Re: The only possibility is "something weird" if Cyndane ISN'T just "Lanfear"
02/12/2009 05:46:30 AM
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Maybe they put some of Ilyena in Cyndane.
04/12/2009 06:52:01 PM
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LOL ... Lanfear doesn't need Ilyena to be an LTT stalker!
04/12/2009 07:09:02 PM
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Right, But Ilyena Doesn't Need Lanfear for That Either.
04/12/2009 07:17:29 PM
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I'm 99.99% sure RJ said that the DO had to grab a soul quickly after death or it was lost
04/12/2009 09:13:18 PM
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Weird is a given, I think
02/12/2009 07:12:45 AM
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It may be as simple as...
02/12/2009 09:42:50 AM
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I didn't see any sexual connotation attached to it....
02/12/2009 10:38:07 AM
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Not sexual, no...
02/12/2009 06:12:15 PM
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Cairheinin to the Core.
04/12/2009 07:03:23 PM
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There are several holes with this scenario...
02/12/2009 02:18:28 AM
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Agreed, the angreal theory seems most likely IMO (about Lanfear/Cyndane) *NM*
02/12/2009 05:39:55 AM
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Re: There are several holes with this scenario...
02/12/2009 09:05:34 AM
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On Cyndane's strength...
02/12/2009 09:40:27 AM
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Re: On Cyndane's strength...
02/12/2009 11:24:38 AM
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But that doesn't explain why Leane and Siuan are now essentially equal
02/12/2009 06:21:47 PM
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I don't think they're equal
03/12/2009 04:43:13 AM
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There is no deference, which would be expected in their "game" of hating each other
03/12/2009 07:38:57 AM
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I have no opinion on the theory (yet), but
02/12/2009 04:42:36 AM
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Moiraine will make a huge difference to TG (Min's viewing) so I think she will need to channel. *NM*
02/12/2009 05:38:03 AM
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Min doesn't channel, and she makes a big difference. As does Thom. *NM*
02/12/2009 09:57:10 AM
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agreed - Moiraine doesn't need to channel to make a difference *NM*
02/12/2009 04:38:50 PM
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Yub, I generally agree
02/12/2009 11:56:03 AM
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