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Re: yep darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 02/12/2009 05:37:41 PM
Well, we don't know this and no connection between the has really been made. Plus, I like Sidious' idea that due to Aginor's weakened body, it wasn't capable of handling the channeling he's used to and that's a good part of the reason why he died.


I don't know, IMO no matter how you look at it he was basically burned out and died from overuse of the Power. It's similar to what happened to LTT when he created Dragonmount. I also like Sid's explanation of why Aginor couldn't handle the Eye though... makes sense to me.

This is an issue. I think that the weave the Nyn discovered has been improved upon - it's still imperfect, but just a bit better. We just don't know enough about how much of strenth drop is involved.


Well now your theory is getting more complex. On top of Cyndane being healed someone figured out a better way to Heal stilling (woman on woman) than Nynaeve, and she's just a regular AS? I think that's highly unlikely!

I think it's pretty clear that there is a 2/3(ish) drop in power. Siuan and Leane point out that they aren't even 1/2 as strong as before, but are both strong enough to still be AS... and since they were different levels before stilling, but are the same now, it seems like a % drop is more likely than a flat "tax"... if Siuan was a 50 and Leane a 45 before they would be more like a 16 and a 15 now, almost no difference.

Of course she does - she was burned out/severed as she enters finnland and somehow she died there. it's all tied up together.

Anyway, while I don't think your theory is impossible, I also don't know that I would call it the most simple explanation!


That's pure speculation. There is no real evidence in the books that she was stilled/burned out or even killed on the way through the doorway.

My theory is that the DO transmigrated her and at that time weakened her. Simple, easy, done. Of course you could be 100% accurate, but I don't think your theory is more likely due to being simple! I think your theory has a lot of "IF this happened AND that happened then MAYBE the answer is..."

Well, it's simpler than any other explanation I've seen.


I think it's much simpler that Lanfear died, was transmigrated by the DO and had her ability reduced at that time as a form of punishment along with the Mind Trap. The meaning of her name implies as much too "Last Chance" is pretty ominous.
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Moiraine and Lanfear kcf - 01/12/2009 10:24:54 PM 1831 Views
Healing, huh? Tansu Targli - 01/12/2009 10:58:00 PM 1123 Views
Re: Healing, huh? Nate - 01/12/2009 11:12:53 PM 1192 Views
yep kcf - 01/12/2009 11:19:23 PM 1047 Views
Re: yep darius_sedai - 02/12/2009 01:15:47 AM 1372 Views
Re: yep kcf - 02/12/2009 04:44:32 PM 1165 Views
Re: yep darius_sedai - 02/12/2009 05:37:41 PM 915 Views
I'm betting she decides to stay a non-channeler and put her past behind her. *NM* RandAllThor - 01/12/2009 11:09:32 PM 647 Views
I don't think Moiraine was stilled. Gher - 01/12/2009 11:19:03 PM 1049 Views
what about Lan's bond kcf - 01/12/2009 11:23:35 PM 1015 Views
I think that the doorway melting did that. Gher - 02/12/2009 12:49:02 AM 1090 Views
Not manually Knightscape - 02/12/2009 07:13:09 AM 940 Views
Not sure, but it seemed like she planned for it. At one point BlackAdder - 02/12/2009 01:23:36 AM 920 Views
Rand wasn't stilled when beetnemesis - 02/12/2009 06:48:42 AM 942 Views
The doorway melting and snapping the bond is simple enough for me *NM* Deadsy - 01/12/2009 11:24:07 PM 508 Views
as I said above, far too many assumptions in that idea *NM* kcf - 01/12/2009 11:27:12 PM 524 Views
Re: Moiraine and Lanfear Fred Gaidin - 01/12/2009 11:27:49 PM 983 Views
Not just an assumption. Tansu Targli - 01/12/2009 11:38:56 PM 1069 Views
Re: Not just an assumption. Fred Gaidin - 02/12/2009 02:45:26 PM 975 Views
it can kcf - 01/12/2009 11:40:40 PM 1044 Views
Re: it can Fred Gaidin - 02/12/2009 02:51:21 PM 1143 Views
I think that since Moiraine was in another dimension, the Bond passed to the closest holder. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 01/12/2009 11:43:15 PM 1028 Views
but she'd been there before kcf - 01/12/2009 11:51:41 PM 1099 Views
I don't understand why you think there are too many assumptions darius_sedai - 02/12/2009 12:57:50 AM 1055 Views
Exactly. Thanks for translating in fewer words than I would have used *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/12/2009 04:21:06 PM 599 Views
that assumes quite a bit about the structure of the bond kcf - 02/12/2009 07:45:37 PM 1076 Views
no more than the assumptions of the actions take on the other side of the door! darius_sedai - 03/12/2009 07:51:59 AM 1096 Views
My only complaint... Rand al'Thor - 02/12/2009 12:34:34 AM 981 Views
Best. Slashfic. EVER! The Name With No Man - 02/12/2009 12:38:06 AM 1138 Views
BS not committing to the Cyndane = Lanfear scenario has me wondering as well Light in the Night - 02/12/2009 02:51:30 AM 1219 Views
The only possibility is "something weird" if Cyndane ISN'T just "Lanfear" Tom - 02/12/2009 05:26:23 AM 975 Views
Re: The only possibility is "something weird" if Cyndane ISN'T just "Lanfear" AliasRY - 02/12/2009 05:46:30 AM 1036 Views
That would be absolutely hilarious!!! *NM* Tom - 02/12/2009 05:49:01 AM 528 Views
That'd blow some minds. *NM* Gher - 02/12/2009 05:56:06 AM 550 Views
Maybe they put some of Ilyena in Cyndane. Joel - 04/12/2009 06:52:01 PM 1035 Views
LOL ... Lanfear doesn't need Ilyena to be an LTT stalker! darius_sedai - 04/12/2009 07:09:02 PM 1002 Views
Right, But Ilyena Doesn't Need Lanfear for That Either. The Name With No Man - 04/12/2009 07:17:29 PM 1016 Views
I'm 99.99% sure RJ said that the DO had to grab a soul quickly after death or it was lost darius_sedai - 04/12/2009 09:13:18 PM 865 Views
Never Said It Had to Be the DO. The Name With No Man - 04/12/2009 09:43:58 PM 867 Views
it would indeed be a totall shocker! darius_sedai - 04/12/2009 09:50:16 PM 1126 Views
Weird is a given, I think Light in the Night - 02/12/2009 07:12:45 AM 1132 Views
It may be as simple as... fionwe1987 - 02/12/2009 09:42:50 AM 926 Views
I didn't see any sexual connotation attached to it.... Light in the Night - 02/12/2009 10:38:07 AM 903 Views
Not sexual, no... fionwe1987 - 02/12/2009 06:12:15 PM 943 Views
Cairheinin to the Core. Joel - 04/12/2009 07:03:23 PM 1003 Views
Haven't you people ever seen a contortionist? darius_sedai - 04/12/2009 07:12:20 PM 889 Views
I Don't Believe I Have, Now That You Mention It. The Name With No Man - 04/12/2009 07:18:32 PM 928 Views
See Above. The Name With No Man - 04/12/2009 06:54:47 PM 1105 Views
I doubt it kcf - 02/12/2009 08:55:23 PM 971 Views
Maybe it's a wild goose chase. Joel - 04/12/2009 06:44:55 PM 1107 Views
There are several holes with this scenario... fionwe1987 - 02/12/2009 02:18:28 AM 1124 Views
On Transmitigation vs rebirth: Gher - 02/12/2009 02:35:23 AM 1426 Views
Agreed, the angreal theory seems most likely IMO (about Lanfear/Cyndane) *NM* Lord Haart - 02/12/2009 05:39:55 AM 478 Views
Re: There are several holes with this scenario... Sidious - 02/12/2009 09:05:34 AM 1164 Views
On Cyndane's strength... fionwe1987 - 02/12/2009 09:40:27 AM 862 Views
Re: On Cyndane's strength... Sidious - 02/12/2009 11:24:38 AM 905 Views
Re: On Cyndane's strength... fionwe1987 - 02/12/2009 06:16:57 PM 949 Views
Re: On Cyndane's strength... Sidious - 03/12/2009 04:39:45 AM 1097 Views
But that doesn't explain why Leane and Siuan are now essentially equal darius_sedai - 02/12/2009 06:21:47 PM 959 Views
oops I double posted this! *NM* darius_sedai - 02/12/2009 06:23:02 PM 489 Views
I don't think they're equal Sidious - 03/12/2009 04:43:13 AM 912 Views
There is no deference, which would be expected in their "game" of hating each other darius_sedai - 03/12/2009 07:38:57 AM 1138 Views
Re: There are several holes with this scenario... kcf - 02/12/2009 09:08:00 PM 1180 Views
I don't think they were stilled or burned out. Tom - 02/12/2009 04:37:09 AM 884 Views
I have no opinion on the theory (yet), but Wotmaniac Reborn - 02/12/2009 04:42:36 AM 926 Views
Disagree. There's no way they don't. Gher - 02/12/2009 05:26:00 AM 956 Views
Moridin mentions it kcf - 02/12/2009 04:33:01 PM 872 Views
Re: Moridin mentions it darius_sedai - 02/12/2009 06:13:20 PM 937 Views
Moiraine will make a huge difference to TG (Min's viewing) so I think she will need to channel. *NM* Lord Haart - 02/12/2009 05:38:03 AM 517 Views
Min doesn't channel, and she makes a big difference. As does Thom. *NM* Great Lord of Chaos - 02/12/2009 09:57:10 AM 501 Views
agreed - Moiraine doesn't need to channel to make a difference *NM* kcf - 02/12/2009 04:38:50 PM 567 Views
Yub, I generally agree Etzel - 02/12/2009 11:56:03 AM 878 Views
I'm always nervous when we agree kcf - 02/12/2009 04:24:51 PM 920 Views
I think it's cool! Etzel - 02/12/2009 06:01:32 PM 887 Views
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