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Re: There are several holes with this scenario... Sidious Send a noteboard - 02/12/2009 09:05:34 AM

This explains why Lan's bond was cut. Moiraine is still captive there and will be rescued by Thom, Mat and Noel in ToM. Moiraine will likely be healed by Finn at some point. Otherwise, she'll live a happy rest of her life with Tom as a non-channeler.


Indeed. Moiraine may return as a burned out channeler to live out the rest of her days with Thom. It would be an interesting revelation.

If she was burned out, Flin may well be unable to Heal her.


I agree, and we have Setalle Anan are reinforcement for this. RJ basically passed her by for Healing.

Also, I think the burning of the gateway is just as good an explanation for the snapping of the bond as being burned out.


IMO it's the most likely opinion of all.

This is the part I have the most trouble with.
1)I know BS said a burned out channeler remains so when transmigrated, but this doesn't make much sense to me. When a soul is Reborn, the damage done to its channeling ability in a previous life is erased. This implies that as soon as the soul is free of the body, its channeling ability is restored.


I agree, and I think BS is wrong. Aginor definitely burned himself out in EOTW, and Lews Therin most likely did too. I don't buy the idea that dying while overdrawing preserves the link because we have multiple quotes to show that burning out occurs prior to death, and the link is ruined after you overdraw.

I fail to see why the same won't be the case with transmigration. And the fact that Brandon isn't somewhat sure of this points to it not being significant in the whole Lanfear mystery.
2)Unless Moiraine somehow stilled Lanfear (or maybe the Finn did, though I don't see this being possible), Lanfear must have gotten burned out, by your theory. But we have no idea if burning out can be Healed. That is a pretty major assumption.


It is, and we don't know what happened.

3)Even if Lanfear was indeed Healed, her current strength makes no sense at all. Siuan says she has barely a lick of her former power. The same is definitely not true of Lanfear. Cyndane is weaker, but still astonishingly strong.


Not necessarily. You may lose a certain amount of strength if you're Healed by the same sex. That means that if Siuan had a strength of 25 and lost 10, she would be on 15, and thus a weak Aes Sedai. Lanfear on the other hand would go from 100 to 90, and still be one of the strongest women in the world.

4)It is unlikely that any of the Forsaken women Healed her. Mesaana tells Demandred she is weaker. If she was the one who Healed her, this would hardly be a surprise. Plus, she cannot Heal. Semirhage likely doesn't know the weave, and almost certainly wouldn't Heal her old enemy. Graendal is ruled out. Moggy is too, both because she cannot Heal and also because she saw Cyndane's cour-sourva on Moridin when she was taken by Shaidar Haran.


I agree - we actually have a quote from one of the Forsaken that states that only Semirhage has the Healing Talent. While she may have done it under orders from Moridin, she would never have remained silent on the topic, especially from her own PoV.

A Yellow from the Rebel camp is possible, but that still leaves us with Cyndane's strength as an issue.


If a DF Yellow Healed her, I'd be very surprised. Neither Aran'gar nor Mesaana have any clue about Cyndane and both are tied up in Salidar and the Tower. The only possibility is that Moridin directly brought a Yellow somewhere to do the deed.

This explanation is neither simple not reasonable. Questions abound, from whether Lanfear would be burned out when transmigrated, to how she can still be so strong.


In fact, there are many questions surrounding the whole episode. It involves two channelers, angreal, a ter'angreal and a parallel dimension. It also includes the fact that we know she survived initially, and now has a new body and a lower strength. There are questions on many levels to be answered.
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Moiraine and Lanfear kcf - 01/12/2009 10:24:54 PM 1597 Views
Healing, huh? Tansu Targli - 01/12/2009 10:58:00 PM 952 Views
Re: Healing, huh? Nate - 01/12/2009 11:12:53 PM 1025 Views
yep kcf - 01/12/2009 11:19:23 PM 890 Views
Re: yep darius_sedai - 02/12/2009 01:15:47 AM 1203 Views
Re: yep kcf - 02/12/2009 04:44:32 PM 952 Views
Re: yep darius_sedai - 02/12/2009 05:37:41 PM 765 Views
I'm betting she decides to stay a non-channeler and put her past behind her. *NM* RandAllThor - 01/12/2009 11:09:32 PM 565 Views
I don't think Moiraine was stilled. Gher - 01/12/2009 11:19:03 PM 888 Views
what about Lan's bond kcf - 01/12/2009 11:23:35 PM 864 Views
I think that the doorway melting did that. Gher - 02/12/2009 12:49:02 AM 961 Views
Not manually Knightscape - 02/12/2009 07:13:09 AM 783 Views
Not sure, but it seemed like she planned for it. At one point BlackAdder - 02/12/2009 01:23:36 AM 764 Views
Rand wasn't stilled when beetnemesis - 02/12/2009 06:48:42 AM 797 Views
The doorway melting and snapping the bond is simple enough for me *NM* Deadsy - 01/12/2009 11:24:07 PM 440 Views
as I said above, far too many assumptions in that idea *NM* kcf - 01/12/2009 11:27:12 PM 462 Views
Re: Moiraine and Lanfear Fred Gaidin - 01/12/2009 11:27:49 PM 809 Views
Not just an assumption. Tansu Targli - 01/12/2009 11:38:56 PM 898 Views
Re: Not just an assumption. Fred Gaidin - 02/12/2009 02:45:26 PM 819 Views
it can kcf - 01/12/2009 11:40:40 PM 889 Views
Re: it can Fred Gaidin - 02/12/2009 02:51:21 PM 981 Views
I think that since Moiraine was in another dimension, the Bond passed to the closest holder. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 01/12/2009 11:43:15 PM 848 Views
but she'd been there before kcf - 01/12/2009 11:51:41 PM 943 Views
I don't understand why you think there are too many assumptions darius_sedai - 02/12/2009 12:57:50 AM 893 Views
Exactly. Thanks for translating in fewer words than I would have used *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/12/2009 04:21:06 PM 533 Views
that assumes quite a bit about the structure of the bond kcf - 02/12/2009 07:45:37 PM 872 Views
no more than the assumptions of the actions take on the other side of the door! darius_sedai - 03/12/2009 07:51:59 AM 929 Views
My only complaint... Rand al'Thor - 02/12/2009 12:34:34 AM 818 Views
Best. Slashfic. EVER! The Name With No Man - 02/12/2009 12:38:06 AM 978 Views
BS not committing to the Cyndane = Lanfear scenario has me wondering as well Light in the Night - 02/12/2009 02:51:30 AM 1058 Views
The only possibility is "something weird" if Cyndane ISN'T just "Lanfear" Tom - 02/12/2009 05:26:23 AM 810 Views
Re: The only possibility is "something weird" if Cyndane ISN'T just "Lanfear" AliasRY - 02/12/2009 05:46:30 AM 870 Views
That would be absolutely hilarious!!! *NM* Tom - 02/12/2009 05:49:01 AM 449 Views
That'd blow some minds. *NM* Gher - 02/12/2009 05:56:06 AM 482 Views
Maybe they put some of Ilyena in Cyndane. Joel - 04/12/2009 06:52:01 PM 889 Views
LOL ... Lanfear doesn't need Ilyena to be an LTT stalker! darius_sedai - 04/12/2009 07:09:02 PM 831 Views
Right, But Ilyena Doesn't Need Lanfear for That Either. The Name With No Man - 04/12/2009 07:17:29 PM 849 Views
I'm 99.99% sure RJ said that the DO had to grab a soul quickly after death or it was lost darius_sedai - 04/12/2009 09:13:18 PM 708 Views
Never Said It Had to Be the DO. The Name With No Man - 04/12/2009 09:43:58 PM 712 Views
it would indeed be a totall shocker! darius_sedai - 04/12/2009 09:50:16 PM 966 Views
Weird is a given, I think Light in the Night - 02/12/2009 07:12:45 AM 961 Views
It may be as simple as... fionwe1987 - 02/12/2009 09:42:50 AM 781 Views
I didn't see any sexual connotation attached to it.... Light in the Night - 02/12/2009 10:38:07 AM 775 Views
Not sexual, no... fionwe1987 - 02/12/2009 06:12:15 PM 789 Views
Cairheinin to the Core. Joel - 04/12/2009 07:03:23 PM 843 Views
Haven't you people ever seen a contortionist? darius_sedai - 04/12/2009 07:12:20 PM 739 Views
I Don't Believe I Have, Now That You Mention It. The Name With No Man - 04/12/2009 07:18:32 PM 776 Views
See Above. The Name With No Man - 04/12/2009 06:54:47 PM 940 Views
I doubt it kcf - 02/12/2009 08:55:23 PM 781 Views
Maybe it's a wild goose chase. Joel - 04/12/2009 06:44:55 PM 937 Views
There are several holes with this scenario... fionwe1987 - 02/12/2009 02:18:28 AM 956 Views
On Transmitigation vs rebirth: Gher - 02/12/2009 02:35:23 AM 1269 Views
Agreed, the angreal theory seems most likely IMO (about Lanfear/Cyndane) *NM* Lord Haart - 02/12/2009 05:39:55 AM 399 Views
Re: There are several holes with this scenario... Sidious - 02/12/2009 09:05:34 AM 988 Views
On Cyndane's strength... fionwe1987 - 02/12/2009 09:40:27 AM 700 Views
Re: On Cyndane's strength... Sidious - 02/12/2009 11:24:38 AM 731 Views
Re: On Cyndane's strength... fionwe1987 - 02/12/2009 06:16:57 PM 803 Views
Re: On Cyndane's strength... Sidious - 03/12/2009 04:39:45 AM 943 Views
But that doesn't explain why Leane and Siuan are now essentially equal darius_sedai - 02/12/2009 06:21:47 PM 808 Views
oops I double posted this! *NM* darius_sedai - 02/12/2009 06:23:02 PM 421 Views
I don't think they're equal Sidious - 03/12/2009 04:43:13 AM 758 Views
There is no deference, which would be expected in their "game" of hating each other darius_sedai - 03/12/2009 07:38:57 AM 975 Views
Re: There are several holes with this scenario... kcf - 02/12/2009 09:08:00 PM 975 Views
I don't think they were stilled or burned out. Tom - 02/12/2009 04:37:09 AM 716 Views
I have no opinion on the theory (yet), but Wotmaniac Reborn - 02/12/2009 04:42:36 AM 775 Views
Disagree. There's no way they don't. Gher - 02/12/2009 05:26:00 AM 791 Views
Moridin mentions it kcf - 02/12/2009 04:33:01 PM 726 Views
Re: Moridin mentions it darius_sedai - 02/12/2009 06:13:20 PM 776 Views
Moiraine will make a huge difference to TG (Min's viewing) so I think she will need to channel. *NM* Lord Haart - 02/12/2009 05:38:03 AM 449 Views
Min doesn't channel, and she makes a big difference. As does Thom. *NM* Great Lord of Chaos - 02/12/2009 09:57:10 AM 424 Views
agreed - Moiraine doesn't need to channel to make a difference *NM* kcf - 02/12/2009 04:38:50 PM 456 Views
Yub, I generally agree Etzel - 02/12/2009 11:56:03 AM 716 Views
I'm always nervous when we agree kcf - 02/12/2009 04:24:51 PM 768 Views
I think it's cool! Etzel - 02/12/2009 06:01:32 PM 729 Views
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