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There are several holes with this scenario... fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 02/12/2009 02:18:28 AM

When Moiraine and Lanfear tumbled through the the ter'angreal doorway that melted, they were burned out or stilled (I'm not sure it really matters which).

It matters, because the two are different, and we have no proof that being Burned Out can be Healed. Also, I don't see how stilling is an option here, unless Lanfear stilled Lanfear.
This explains why Lan's bond was cut. Moiraine is still captive there and will be rescued by Thom, Mat and Noel in ToM. Moiraine will likely be healed by Finn at some point. Otherwise, she'll live a happy rest of her life with Tom as a non-channeler.

If she was burned out, Flin may well be unable to Heal her. Also, I think the burning of the gateway is just as good an explanation for the snapping of the bond as being burned out.
Lanfear was killed. She was either executed or she committed suicide. The DO transmigrated her into Cyndane and ordered her healed. I believe she was probably healed by a BA yellow from the rebels but it's also possible that a female forsaken did it. We know it wasn't Graendal. It could have been either Moghedien, Mesaana or Semirhage. I think Moghedien is the most likely of the forsaken since she could have easily picked up the healing weave in Salidar and she is bound to Moridin, but the timeline needs to be checked on this. This is why Cyndane is lower in strength than Lanfear.

This is the part I have the most trouble with.
1)I know BS said a burned out channeler remains so when transmigrated, but this doesn't make much sense to me. When a soul is Reborn, the damage done to its channeling ability in a previous life is erased. This implies that as soon as the soul is free of the body, its channeling ability is restored.
I fail to see why the same won't be the case with transmigration. And the fact that Brandon isn't somewhat sure of this points to it not being significant in the whole Lanfear mystery.
2)Unless Moiraine somehow stilled Lanfear (or maybe the Finn did, though I don't see this being possible), Lanfear must have gotten burned out, by your theory. But we have no idea if burning out can be Healed. That is a pretty major assumption.
3)Even if Lanfear was indeed Healed, her current strength makes no sense at all. Siuan says she has barely a lick of her former power. The same is definitely not true of Lanfear. Cyndane is weaker, but still astonishingly strong.
4)It is unlikely that any of the Forsaken women Healed her. Mesaana tells Demandred she is weaker. If she was the one who Healed her, this would hardly be a surprise. Plus, she cannot Heal. Semirhage likely doesn't know the weave, and almost certainly wouldn't Heal her old enemy. Graendal is ruled out. Moggy is too, both because she cannot Heal and also because she saw Cyndane's cour-sourva on Moridin when she was taken by Shaidar Haran.
A Yellow from the Rebel camp is possible, but that still leaves us with Cyndane's strength as an issue.

This is the most simple and reasonable explanation for things as we know them now. IMO, other theories are unecessarily complicated, and therefore not very likely.

This explanation is neither simple not reasonable. Questions abound, from whether Lanfear would be burned out when transmigrated, to how she can still be so strong.
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Moiraine and Lanfear - 01/12/2009 10:24:54 PM 1576 Views
Healing, huh? - 01/12/2009 10:58:00 PM 933 Views
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yep - 01/12/2009 11:19:23 PM 867 Views
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I don't think Moiraine was stilled. - 01/12/2009 11:19:03 PM 872 Views
what about Lan's bond - 01/12/2009 11:23:35 PM 844 Views
I think that the doorway melting did that. - 02/12/2009 12:49:02 AM 953 Views
Not manually - 02/12/2009 07:13:09 AM 760 Views
Not sure, but it seemed like she planned for it. At one point - 02/12/2009 01:23:36 AM 743 Views
Rand wasn't stilled when - 02/12/2009 06:48:42 AM 787 Views
Re: Moiraine and Lanfear - 01/12/2009 11:27:49 PM 790 Views
Not just an assumption. - 01/12/2009 11:38:56 PM 874 Views
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it can - 01/12/2009 11:40:40 PM 871 Views
Re: it can - 02/12/2009 02:51:21 PM 965 Views
I think that since Moiraine was in another dimension, the Bond passed to the closest holder. - 01/12/2009 11:43:15 PM 826 Views
but she'd been there before - 01/12/2009 11:51:41 PM 925 Views
I don't understand why you think there are too many assumptions - 02/12/2009 12:57:50 AM 870 Views
Exactly. Thanks for translating in fewer words than I would have used *NM* - 02/12/2009 04:21:06 PM 528 Views
that assumes quite a bit about the structure of the bond - 02/12/2009 07:45:37 PM 854 Views
My only complaint... - 02/12/2009 12:34:34 AM 796 Views
Best. Slashfic. EVER! - 02/12/2009 12:38:06 AM 951 Views
BS not committing to the Cyndane = Lanfear scenario has me wondering as well - 02/12/2009 02:51:30 AM 1038 Views
The only possibility is "something weird" if Cyndane ISN'T just "Lanfear" - 02/12/2009 05:26:23 AM 787 Views
Re: The only possibility is "something weird" if Cyndane ISN'T just "Lanfear" - 02/12/2009 05:46:30 AM 844 Views
That would be absolutely hilarious!!! *NM* - 02/12/2009 05:49:01 AM 438 Views
That'd blow some minds. *NM* - 02/12/2009 05:56:06 AM 470 Views
Maybe they put some of Ilyena in Cyndane. - 04/12/2009 06:52:01 PM 880 Views
LOL ... Lanfear doesn't need Ilyena to be an LTT stalker! - 04/12/2009 07:09:02 PM 815 Views
Right, But Ilyena Doesn't Need Lanfear for That Either. - 04/12/2009 07:17:29 PM 831 Views
I'm 99.99% sure RJ said that the DO had to grab a soul quickly after death or it was lost - 04/12/2009 09:13:18 PM 691 Views
Never Said It Had to Be the DO. - 04/12/2009 09:43:58 PM 689 Views
it would indeed be a totall shocker! - 04/12/2009 09:50:16 PM 945 Views
Weird is a given, I think - 02/12/2009 07:12:45 AM 944 Views
It may be as simple as... - 02/12/2009 09:42:50 AM 757 Views
I didn't see any sexual connotation attached to it.... - 02/12/2009 10:38:07 AM 762 Views
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Cairheinin to the Core. - 04/12/2009 07:03:23 PM 824 Views
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I Don't Believe I Have, Now That You Mention It. - 04/12/2009 07:18:32 PM 752 Views
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Maybe it's a wild goose chase. - 04/12/2009 06:44:55 PM 918 Views
There are several holes with this scenario... - 02/12/2009 02:18:28 AM 934 Views
On Transmitigation vs rebirth: - 02/12/2009 02:35:23 AM 1249 Views
Re: There are several holes with this scenario... - 02/12/2009 09:05:34 AM 968 Views
On Cyndane's strength... - 02/12/2009 09:40:27 AM 683 Views
Re: On Cyndane's strength... - 02/12/2009 11:24:38 AM 711 Views
Re: On Cyndane's strength... - 02/12/2009 06:16:57 PM 786 Views
Re: On Cyndane's strength... - 03/12/2009 04:39:45 AM 928 Views
But that doesn't explain why Leane and Siuan are now essentially equal - 02/12/2009 06:21:47 PM 795 Views
oops I double posted this! *NM* - 02/12/2009 06:23:02 PM 414 Views
I don't think they're equal - 03/12/2009 04:43:13 AM 741 Views
Re: There are several holes with this scenario... - 02/12/2009 09:08:00 PM 951 Views
I don't think they were stilled or burned out. - 02/12/2009 04:37:09 AM 699 Views
I have no opinion on the theory (yet), but - 02/12/2009 04:42:36 AM 759 Views
Disagree. There's no way they don't. - 02/12/2009 05:26:00 AM 768 Views
Moridin mentions it - 02/12/2009 04:33:01 PM 720 Views
Re: Moridin mentions it - 02/12/2009 06:13:20 PM 759 Views
Yub, I generally agree - 02/12/2009 11:56:03 AM 701 Views
I'm always nervous when we agree - 02/12/2009 04:24:51 PM 749 Views
I think it's cool! - 02/12/2009 06:01:32 PM 716 Views

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