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Talaan has be channeling for 6 or 7 years darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 28/11/2009 10:56:12 PM
The Path of Daggers, Unweaving
Talaan, so meek in her red linen blouse, with eyes that seemed permanently downcast, came very close to Nynaeve. Very close.

Talaan is probably on the same level as Nynaeve, but is clearly not stronger.

My list is closer to Sids for many of the same reasons:

1. Lanfear and possibly Alivia or Sharina
2. Cyndane and possibly Alivia or Sharina
3. Graendal and Sharina (minimum) -- Alivia cant' be this level or she wouldn't be "considerably stronger than Nynaeve"
4. Nynaeve, Talaan, Sommeryn
5. Semirhage and Mesaana
6. Moghedien, Tamela and Viendre
7. Egwene, Elayne, Aviendha and Metarra
8. Cadsuane, Bode and Nicola
9. Meylen and Kerien
10. Elle and Jancy
11. Moiraine, Elaida, Romanda, Lelaine and old Siuan

I also look at Graendal as stronger than Semhirage/Mesaana for a couple of other reasons. She stands alone and open. We know from Aran'gar that Graendal's alliances end abruptly with her "ally" dead. She's far to ballsy to be weaker than the others, she openly mocks the likes of Demandred and mentally dismisses Mesaana as a non-entity.

My other main reason for believing she is stronger is that RJ has built up quite a mythos around her. She's been the "replacement" Lanfear for a while now, the go-to for all evil femaleness.

As for her lying to herself ... yes I'm sure she does, but IMO the FS lie about their Greatness or how much they've Acheived or their incomparable Skill ... lying about something as strength in the OP is rather trivial to them, they constantly laugh about the "half-trained" girls calling themselves AS and Graendal's comments about Sommeryn were telling as well. In her mind Sommeryn was inconsequential because she wasn't well trained.

As for your Gateway thoughts, I've been saying as much for a while, I don't believe Strength can be figured out from ability with one weave. We've already seen too many examples of things like Siuan's healing being the same despite only being 1/3 as strong as she was before... Rand's 4x4 Gateway maybe impossible for anyone else to achieve even if they were stronger than Rand, if he has particular facility with the weave he can do it better... look at Berowin and her shields!


Talaan may be stronger than Nynaeve when she fully strengthens. We never got an estimation of Talaan's potential strength, just her current strength compared to Nynaeve.

I disagree with your placement of Semirhage and Mesaana on the same level. BS clearly implies there is a difference between Mesaana and Semirhage.


And the WF don't seem to coddle women the way the Tower does.

Nynaeve has only been actively Channeling for 18 months? Odds are in favor of Talaan actually being much closer to her full potential than Nynaeve.

Semirhage could also be at the same level as Nynaeve, but BS did say he believed Nynaeve was stronger. Mesaana is obviously weaker, but there are only so many levels to work with here!
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Female Forsaken strength : a new post - 19/11/2009 04:12:35 PM 1732 Views
Except... - 19/11/2009 04:26:32 PM 766 Views
There's no evidence for that - 19/11/2009 04:31:17 PM 719 Views
It's common sense - 19/11/2009 04:40:01 PM 676 Views
No, it's based on absolutely nothing - 19/11/2009 04:50:30 PM 737 Views
If you agree that there are stronger damane than Alivia... - 19/11/2009 05:00:05 PM 658 Views
I didn't say that - 19/11/2009 05:07:33 PM 664 Views
Well, I think you are wrong... - 19/11/2009 05:35:27 PM 658 Views
Glad to have you back. Now for the arguments to start! - 19/11/2009 04:29:01 PM 775 Views
Hmm... - 19/11/2009 04:47:12 PM 781 Views
Actually, you are the one placing Lanfear immensely high, my list reduced the strength difference... - 19/11/2009 05:05:18 PM 852 Views
But I'm not - 19/11/2009 05:17:05 PM 751 Views
Let me ask you this... - 19/11/2009 10:13:12 PM 793 Views
Very good point *NM* - 20/11/2009 01:38:55 AM 338 Views
One possibility - 20/11/2009 03:18:55 AM 714 Views
All assumption - 20/11/2009 04:11:20 AM 659 Views
Why introduce that concept, if it is just of academic importance? - 20/11/2009 07:41:54 AM 629 Views
You don't know the significance of it at all - 20/11/2009 03:14:46 PM 747 Views
Why? - 20/11/2009 03:17:51 PM 1269 Views
Re: Why? - 20/11/2009 04:30:50 PM 613 Views
How can you argue in such a way and still keep a straight face (presumably)... - 20/11/2009 05:07:39 PM 659 Views
Re: How can you argue in such a way and still keep a straight face (presumably)... - 21/11/2009 10:55:47 AM 648 Views
Is Graendal the only Forsaken NOT to overstate her own ability then? - 21/11/2009 01:53:28 PM 751 Views
Probably not in this case - 21/11/2009 11:34:25 PM 630 Views
Your rankings hinge ENTIRELY on whether you have Graendal correctly placed. - 20/11/2009 03:24:22 PM 582 Views
Yeah... entirely - 20/11/2009 04:33:45 PM 616 Views
Okay, "entirely" was a bad choice of word. - 20/11/2009 09:57:52 PM 631 Views
Re: Okay, "entirely" was a bad choice of word. - 21/11/2009 10:48:16 AM 701 Views
Re: Let me ask you this... - 23/12/2009 04:30:27 PM 662 Views
*correction*Re: Let me ask you this... - 23/12/2009 04:32:02 PM 636 Views
my comments w/ edit - 19/11/2009 04:37:27 PM 714 Views
Re: my comments w/ edit - 19/11/2009 04:54:30 PM 776 Views
Re: my comments w/ edit - 23/12/2009 04:42:15 PM 589 Views
What ever happened to all teh info from wotmania? Especially the FAQs? *NM* - 19/11/2009 05:01:45 PM 435 Views
http://13depository.blogspot.com/ *NM* - 19/11/2009 05:31:01 PM 351 Views
Re: Female Forsaken strength : a new post - 19/11/2009 05:39:10 PM 741 Views
Re: Female Forsaken strength : a new post -- What about Dexterity?? - 19/11/2009 06:44:31 PM 747 Views
This perfectly matches my understanding of the situation. - 19/11/2009 07:06:31 PM 611 Views
Agreed! This make more sense than the previous list *NM* - 20/11/2009 12:07:37 AM 388 Views
Too many levels - 20/11/2009 01:48:24 AM 734 Views
You are completely right about too many levels. - 20/11/2009 04:17:17 AM 617 Views
21 levels is largely a myth - 20/11/2009 04:27:27 AM 624 Views
Re: 21 levels is largely a myth - 20/11/2009 01:51:17 PM 756 Views
Thanks for the post. Interesting stuff there. *NM* - 20/11/2009 03:14:12 PM 323 Views
That's good to know. - 20/11/2009 07:56:41 PM 600 Views
I have to disagree for a couple of reasons. - 20/11/2009 04:14:40 AM 755 Views
Talaan is not stronger than Nynaeve - 28/11/2009 08:27:22 PM 770 Views
Re: Talaan is not stronger than Nynaeve - 28/11/2009 10:05:15 PM 849 Views
Talaan has be channeling for 6 or 7 years - 28/11/2009 10:56:12 PM 658 Views
Re: I have to disagree for a couple of reasons. - 30/12/2009 12:37:40 AM 1075 Views
Agree with nearly all - 20/11/2009 04:43:47 AM 622 Views
more hopefully to come - 20/11/2009 08:15:00 PM 599 Views
Thanks KCF, that's a great question to ask. - 20/11/2009 08:28:32 PM 829 Views
A little more evidence that Nynaeve is stronger than Semirhage - 29/11/2009 12:12:37 AM 629 Views
I agree that Graendal is the 2nd most powerful woman Forsaken - 29/11/2009 04:07:00 PM 589 Views
It's possible - 30/11/2009 08:23:28 PM 603 Views
Re: It's possible - 01/12/2009 06:18:56 PM 709 Views

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