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Talaan is not stronger than Nynaeve darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 28/11/2009 08:27:22 PM
The Path of Daggers, Unweaving
Talaan, so meek in her red linen blouse, with eyes that seemed permanently downcast, came very close to Nynaeve. Very close.

Talaan is probably on the same level as Nynaeve, but is clearly not stronger.

My list is closer to Sids for many of the same reasons:

1. Lanfear and possibly Alivia or Sharina
2. Cyndane and possibly Alivia or Sharina
3. Graendal and Sharina (minimum) -- Alivia cant' be this level or she wouldn't be "considerably stronger than Nynaeve"
4. Nynaeve, Talaan, Sommeryn
5. Semirhage and Mesaana
6. Moghedien, Tamela and Viendre
7. Egwene, Elayne, Aviendha and Metarra
8. Cadsuane, Bode and Nicola
9. Meylen and Kerien
10. Elle and Jancy
11. Moiraine, Elaida, Romanda, Lelaine and old Siuan

I also look at Graendal as stronger than Semhirage/Mesaana for a couple of other reasons. She stands alone and open. We know from Aran'gar that Graendal's alliances end abruptly with her "ally" dead. She's far to ballsy to be weaker than the others, she openly mocks the likes of Demandred and mentally dismisses Mesaana as a non-entity.

My other main reason for believing she is stronger is that RJ has built up quite a mythos around her. She's been the "replacement" Lanfear for a while now, the go-to for all evil femaleness.

As for her lying to herself ... yes I'm sure she does, but IMO the FS lie about their Greatness or how much they've Acheived or their incomparable Skill ... lying about something as strength in the OP is rather trivial to them, they constantly laugh about the "half-trained" girls calling themselves AS and Graendal's comments about Sommeryn were telling as well. In her mind Sommeryn was inconsequential because she wasn't well trained.

As for your Gateway thoughts, I've been saying as much for a while, I don't believe Strength can be figured out from ability with one weave. We've already seen too many examples of things like Siuan's healing being the same despite only being 1/3 as strong as she was before... Rand's 4x4 Gateway maybe impossible for anyone else to achieve even if they were stronger than Rand, if he has particular facility with the weave he can do it better... look at Berowin and her shields!
Domani Drag Queen in the White Tower ... Aran'gar watch out!
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Female Forsaken strength : a new post - 19/11/2009 04:12:35 PM 1739 Views
Except... - 19/11/2009 04:26:32 PM 774 Views
There's no evidence for that - 19/11/2009 04:31:17 PM 729 Views
It's common sense - 19/11/2009 04:40:01 PM 685 Views
No, it's based on absolutely nothing - 19/11/2009 04:50:30 PM 746 Views
If you agree that there are stronger damane than Alivia... - 19/11/2009 05:00:05 PM 668 Views
I didn't say that - 19/11/2009 05:07:33 PM 674 Views
Well, I think you are wrong... - 19/11/2009 05:35:27 PM 666 Views
Glad to have you back. Now for the arguments to start! - 19/11/2009 04:29:01 PM 786 Views
Hmm... - 19/11/2009 04:47:12 PM 789 Views
Actually, you are the one placing Lanfear immensely high, my list reduced the strength difference... - 19/11/2009 05:05:18 PM 861 Views
But I'm not - 19/11/2009 05:17:05 PM 761 Views
Let me ask you this... - 19/11/2009 10:13:12 PM 802 Views
Very good point *NM* - 20/11/2009 01:38:55 AM 343 Views
One possibility - 20/11/2009 03:18:55 AM 740 Views
All assumption - 20/11/2009 04:11:20 AM 670 Views
Why introduce that concept, if it is just of academic importance? - 20/11/2009 07:41:54 AM 639 Views
You don't know the significance of it at all - 20/11/2009 03:14:46 PM 758 Views
Why? - 20/11/2009 03:17:51 PM 1279 Views
Re: Why? - 20/11/2009 04:30:50 PM 625 Views
How can you argue in such a way and still keep a straight face (presumably)... - 20/11/2009 05:07:39 PM 669 Views
Re: How can you argue in such a way and still keep a straight face (presumably)... - 21/11/2009 10:55:47 AM 660 Views
Is Graendal the only Forsaken NOT to overstate her own ability then? - 21/11/2009 01:53:28 PM 761 Views
Probably not in this case - 21/11/2009 11:34:25 PM 640 Views
Your rankings hinge ENTIRELY on whether you have Graendal correctly placed. - 20/11/2009 03:24:22 PM 590 Views
Yeah... entirely - 20/11/2009 04:33:45 PM 625 Views
Okay, "entirely" was a bad choice of word. - 20/11/2009 09:57:52 PM 638 Views
Re: Okay, "entirely" was a bad choice of word. - 21/11/2009 10:48:16 AM 707 Views
Re: Let me ask you this... - 23/12/2009 04:30:27 PM 673 Views
*correction*Re: Let me ask you this... - 23/12/2009 04:32:02 PM 647 Views
my comments w/ edit - 19/11/2009 04:37:27 PM 722 Views
Re: my comments w/ edit - 19/11/2009 04:54:30 PM 783 Views
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What ever happened to all teh info from wotmania? Especially the FAQs? *NM* - 19/11/2009 05:01:45 PM 449 Views
http://13depository.blogspot.com/ *NM* - 19/11/2009 05:31:01 PM 355 Views
Re: Female Forsaken strength : a new post - 19/11/2009 05:39:10 PM 752 Views
Re: Female Forsaken strength : a new post -- What about Dexterity?? - 19/11/2009 06:44:31 PM 758 Views
This perfectly matches my understanding of the situation. - 19/11/2009 07:06:31 PM 623 Views
Agreed! This make more sense than the previous list *NM* - 20/11/2009 12:07:37 AM 392 Views
Too many levels - 20/11/2009 01:48:24 AM 745 Views
You are completely right about too many levels. - 20/11/2009 04:17:17 AM 627 Views
21 levels is largely a myth - 20/11/2009 04:27:27 AM 633 Views
Re: 21 levels is largely a myth - 20/11/2009 01:51:17 PM 767 Views
Thanks for the post. Interesting stuff there. *NM* - 20/11/2009 03:14:12 PM 326 Views
That's good to know. - 20/11/2009 07:56:41 PM 609 Views
I have to disagree for a couple of reasons. - 20/11/2009 04:14:40 AM 763 Views
Talaan is not stronger than Nynaeve - 28/11/2009 08:27:22 PM 779 Views
Re: Talaan is not stronger than Nynaeve - 28/11/2009 10:05:15 PM 863 Views
Talaan has be channeling for 6 or 7 years - 28/11/2009 10:56:12 PM 670 Views
Re: I have to disagree for a couple of reasons. - 30/12/2009 12:37:40 AM 1084 Views
Agree with nearly all - 20/11/2009 04:43:47 AM 631 Views
more hopefully to come - 20/11/2009 08:15:00 PM 609 Views
Thanks KCF, that's a great question to ask. - 20/11/2009 08:28:32 PM 850 Views
A little more evidence that Nynaeve is stronger than Semirhage - 29/11/2009 12:12:37 AM 639 Views
I agree that Graendal is the 2nd most powerful woman Forsaken - 29/11/2009 04:07:00 PM 600 Views
It's possible - 30/11/2009 08:23:28 PM 615 Views
Re: It's possible - 01/12/2009 06:18:56 PM 718 Views

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