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Hmmm... fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 26/11/2009 10:38:44 PM

But we don't know that. The only reason Bode was mentioned was because she's Mat's sister so there was a moment of sentimentality there. We only know that a great deal of the novices are very weak. We don't know that there are none to match Egwene. I doubt even Egwene knows.

I was referring to Nicola, not Bode. Nicola is seen as extremely remarkable, for the amount of strength she has, and Egwene is stronger than her.
There is no mention of another Egwene strength channeler, and if Aes Sedai can make so much of people weaker than Egwene, than someone of her strength would very obviously be mentioned.
Egwene would certainly know of anyone who matches or exceeds her. Any such person would be a vindication of her decision to continue recruiting. Sharina was, certainly. And Egwene would have mentioned any other strong woman in that context.


But there's once again no evidence that those are the only Wise Ones of that strength. There may be others. We only met Tamela and Viendre in WH, and only due to happenstance.

But Amys and Melaine make it clear that Avi is one of the most powerful WO. Most of the channeling WO are out of the waste and in Illian or Arad Doman or Cairhein. I find it highly unlikely that there are many women of Avi's strength or greater running about unnoticed.

On the other hand, Egwene is meant to be the most powerful woman in 600 years. And yet, Elayne is with her, and just down the road is Aviendha, Tamela, Viendre, and several other channelers. How rare is that strength really in a randomized group of 1000? We just don't know. I'm just sure that it's not rare enough to be the strongest woman in 600 years.

Being the strongest over a period of time is different from being the strongest in a current group.
I agree that with current recruiting, it won't be 600 years before we see another Egwene. But it is also doubtful that most random groups of 1000 will have an Egwene. After all, Elayne is strong enough that Moghedien comments on it, and that estimation of her strength is muted only in comparison to Moggy's estimation of Nynaeve.
Where the Foresaken have shown complete contempt for any Aes Sedai of this Age, two of them, Moggy and Be'lal, have shown respect for the strength of Elayne and Egwene. That too, while dismissing Moiraine, who is not terribly weak at all.


I have doubts. Elza says that Cadsuane is drawing more saidar than she and Merise are combined, and she must therefore have an angreal - which means that Cadsuane is not as strong as two Sisters.

But one of them is Merise, who is not that much weaker than Cadsuane.
By Egwene's own estimation, she is far stronger than Moiraine, and this was way back in tSR.
Egwene probably is as strong as two Sisters, or perhaps a little more. In a link with two other women she'd be as strong as four linked women, with some considerable skill. Remember that Verin had an angreal too, and even mixed circles struggled against the male Forsaken. It's close, but it's probably that Egwene is a lot weaker even than Moghedien. I'd estimate Egwene has at most, 2/3 of Moghedien's strength.

Verin had an angreal, but so did Graendal. And Graendal had the added advantage of reversed webs.

With Egwene, neither hidden ability nor reversed webs will be an issue. And the level of skill Egwene (and Elayne and Avi) shows far exceeds that of the normal Aes Sedai. In skill, if in nothing else, these three are closer to the Forsaken than to the Aes Sedai.

Even Cadsuane, I think. Semirhage still disparages the modern day AS, but makes not one comment that indicates she thinks Cadsuane is weak or inconsiderable.

I'd rather put these women closer to the Forsaken than not. If Moiraine thinks that even at incomplete potential, Egwene and Avi can hold against one of the Forsaken, they are not inconsiderable at all. And Moiraine has actually fought with one of the strongest Forsaken, so she must have some idea of what to expect.
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