I'm convinced Moiraine's going to enjoy a Gandalf effect with her strength...
Shannow Send a noteboard - 23/11/2009 05:49:07 PM
Matt: ...ok, so at the end of that answer he said this…we were asking a specific question about stilling and burning out…he said, “And neither burning out or stilling affects that except in this lifetime, your current lifetime”. In other words…
Brandon: ...that is consistent...
Matt: …it doesn’t affect your souls ability, your soul’s connection. So stilling and burning out do not affect the ability to channel, which seems to be integral to the soul as it pertains to a new life. That being said, Aran'gar and Osan'gar, they were transmigrated and we see that they can channel in their new bodies, which makes sense because the ability comes with the soul…
Brandon: ...and because of that if you were male before and reborn (in a female body)…you are channeling the wrong power…
Matt: ...exactly…he was transmigrated into a different body, but still channeling the same power the soul inherits. So considering Jordan's statement about stilling and burning out not affecting the channeling ability of the new life of a soul, is the same for the new life of a soul transmigrated?
Brandon: I’m going to say that transmigrated…if you were burned out and transmigrated you would still be burned out, is my guess.
Matt: Is that a MAFO question? Or…
Brandon: ...that is my guess and you can MAFO it if you want to send it to me, but that is a “I’m pretty sure” answer.
Matt: You saw where we were going…
Brandon: ...yes, I see where you are going…
Brandon: ...that is consistent...
Matt: …it doesn’t affect your souls ability, your soul’s connection. So stilling and burning out do not affect the ability to channel, which seems to be integral to the soul as it pertains to a new life. That being said, Aran'gar and Osan'gar, they were transmigrated and we see that they can channel in their new bodies, which makes sense because the ability comes with the soul…
Brandon: ...and because of that if you were male before and reborn (in a female body)…you are channeling the wrong power…
Matt: ...exactly…he was transmigrated into a different body, but still channeling the same power the soul inherits. So considering Jordan's statement about stilling and burning out not affecting the channeling ability of the new life of a soul, is the same for the new life of a soul transmigrated?
Brandon: I’m going to say that transmigrated…if you were burned out and transmigrated you would still be burned out, is my guess.
Matt: Is that a MAFO question? Or…
Brandon: ...that is my guess and you can MAFO it if you want to send it to me, but that is a “I’m pretty sure” answer.
Matt: You saw where we were going…
Brandon: ...yes, I see where you are going…
and
Matt: So, we will understand then in the next book or so why there is a decrease in power but not a significant decrease?
Brandon: Yes.
Brandon: Yes.
First, now we know that Lanfear was not burned out or stilled during her fall into Finnland. According to Brandon, if she had been, she would still be burned our or stilled in her new body - but I should stress this more like 95% certain than 100%.
Second, we will get the full story during in ToM. I'm guessing that this will come in part from Moiraine when we finally meet her and in part from Cyndane's view.
I still believe that the reason for Cyndane's decrease in strength is due to some kind of switch that took place between her and Moiraine when they went through the doorway.
I think Moiraine will come back with Lanfear's strength - maybe even in Lanfear's body, although that's a bit of a stretch.
However, this would mean that Lanfear should have come back with Moiraine's strength. And I bet that's what Sanderson thought as well, when he made his first comments about Cyndane being "very weak".
Instead, it seems Lanfear came back with the larger proportion of her old strength. Why, though? That is what I cannot figure out at this point in time.
Maybe she and Moraine switched bodies when the went through the doorway. Then Lanfear - in Moraine's body - killed herself in order to be transmigrated, while Moiraine remained behind in Lanfear's body.
However, when she was transmigrated, her new strength was halfway between her soul's strength and the strength of Moiraine's body, resulting in her new strength as Cyndane.
To me, this would be explained in ToM if Moiraine comes back with Lanfear's old strength.
I don't have it all figured out, but I believe something along the lines of the above might have taken place in Finnland.
Some interesting new RAFOs and information from BS
- 23/11/2009 12:13:37 PM
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Thanks! I hadn't made the connection between Rand's paranoya and the dagger wound. *NM*
- 23/11/2009 12:50:42 PM
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Yes, and apparently...
- 23/11/2009 02:35:12 PM
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I tried to suggest that Elaida had been corrupted by Fain and I was practically ridiculed
- 23/11/2009 06:29:48 PM
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me too
- 23/11/2009 06:33:23 PM
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Re: me too
- 23/11/2009 06:43:40 PM
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Thank you.... I have a feeling that we haven't see the last of Elaida after Brandon's recent comment
- 23/11/2009 07:33:24 PM
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Yeah, good work... I tried to find that thread but I couldn't... it must have been on wotmania *NM*
- 23/11/2009 07:39:21 PM
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Very interesting, but they wasted a lot of time on questions they knew would be RAFO.
- 23/11/2009 02:17:47 PM
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I think, though...
- 23/11/2009 02:33:29 PM
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He seems to indicate that RAFO doesn't necessarily mean we'll ever get an answer, though.
- 23/11/2009 03:43:26 PM
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Nice answers on Cyndane
- 23/11/2009 04:06:20 PM
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Maybe...
- 23/11/2009 04:27:44 PM
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Less capable body...interesting.
- 23/11/2009 05:11:16 PM
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This idea originated...
- 23/11/2009 05:43:21 PM
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Yes, I've often pondered on the body size and One Power strength link...
- 23/11/2009 05:51:07 PM
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The rule is certainly...
- 23/11/2009 06:01:41 PM
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I like that idea...and I've explored it before...
- 23/11/2009 06:07:29 PM
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Re: Yes, I've often pondered on the body size and One Power strength link...
- 23/11/2009 06:08:04 PM
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I like the Padan Fain questions. Also, Lanfear / Cyndane discussion was exciting.
- 23/11/2009 05:12:14 PM
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Lanfear/Cyndane angreal
- 23/11/2009 05:17:35 PM
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The Lanfear/Cyndane stuff is at least good - a few theories killed here
- 23/11/2009 05:20:47 PM
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I'm convinced Moiraine's going to enjoy a Gandalf effect with her strength...
- 23/11/2009 05:49:07 PM
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I'm also entertaining that idea
- 23/11/2009 06:23:30 PM
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Hmm, but how?
- 23/11/2009 06:26:00 PM
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I'm not going to argue the theory, but, Moiraine won't give a crap about deference after her ordeal. *NM*
- 23/11/2009 09:13:30 PM
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Says who?
- 24/11/2009 07:02:30 AM
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Moiraine has always been somewhat of a rebel, and what you say is sort of in agreement
- 24/11/2009 07:55:16 AM
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This would be... funny. And Mat already said he'd probably save Lanfear 
*NM*
- 23/11/2009 09:12:46 PM
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*NM*
- 23/11/2009 09:12:46 PM
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That makes one wonder...
- 23/11/2009 11:57:55 PM
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Indeed...
- 23/11/2009 06:06:23 PM
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The Likelihood, if she had been stilled
- 23/11/2009 06:12:55 PM
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Re: The Likelihood, if she had been stilled
- 23/11/2009 06:15:43 PM
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If stilling is Healed, you come back at about 1/3rd of your former strength...
- 23/11/2009 06:18:20 PM
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Not ot mention, that's only if you're healed by someone of the same gender. *NM*
- 23/11/2009 08:44:14 PM
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But...
- 23/11/2009 06:22:43 PM
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Re: But...
- 23/11/2009 06:33:41 PM
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Ok, the difference between stilling and burning out could be his loophole
- 23/11/2009 06:42:39 PM
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Re: Ok, the difference between stilling and burning out could be his loophole
- 23/11/2009 06:50:05 PM
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But if we assume...
- 23/11/2009 07:06:32 PM
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It seems that Lanfear may have been excluded as a candidate for killing Asmodean
- 23/11/2009 08:02:48 PM
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The Finns Killed Asmodean?
- 23/11/2009 08:39:08 PM
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I don't think is beyond the realm of possibility, but did Lanfear actually have any wishes left?
- 23/11/2009 08:53:38 PM
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I don't think is beyond the realm of possibility, but did Lanfear actually have any wishes left?
- 23/11/2009 08:53:38 PM
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Maybe that's what they meant by all of those "Interventions" they wanted me to attend...
- 23/11/2009 09:14:22 PM
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And some other counter-arguments
- 23/11/2009 09:12:18 PM
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This may also explain how the Finns hung Mat from the Tree of Life
- 23/11/2009 08:04:32 PM
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