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That might mean nothing... fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 22/11/2009 06:37:33 PM

It does. I wish I could find the previous quote where it is made clear that Traveling TO a place lets you know it.


When Rand Travels to Illian to face Sammael in CoS, he makes his first gateway into the city center. Immediately after that, he makes a gateway to Sammael's palace.

While making this shorter gateway, Rand specifically thinks the following:

"You did not need to know a place at all if you intended to Travel only a short distance."

Do you see the significance? Rand has just Traveled TO Illian. If Traveling TO a place made you KNOW the place, then he should immediately be able to Travel ANYWHERE from there.

So why make the point that you did not need to know a place as long as you only Traveled a short distance?
It could be as simple as, "I now know this place, but that is unnecessary as I'm only Traveling a short distance".
Then, when he is in Sammael's palace, he is only able to follow Sammael to Shadar Logoth, because he still sees the residue of Sammael's gateway weave, and is able to copy it.

He actually alters it a little. I doubt that would have been possible without knowing the place.




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If the Forsaken really wanted to defeat the Light - gateways at the bottom of the ocean... Shannow - 20/11/2009 02:02:59 PM 1843 Views
I've actually thought that would be a great way to make a power plant. Narg - 20/11/2009 02:48:21 PM 853 Views
I t doesn't defy EXACTLY the laws of conservation guttering flame - 20/11/2009 03:02:16 PM 1145 Views
The Forsaken don't think like that Sidious - 20/11/2009 02:57:27 PM 873 Views
I specifically referred to Ishamael, who shares none of those motivations with the other Forsaken... Shannow - 20/11/2009 03:11:26 PM 1096 Views
What in the world... outer space?? This is fantasy, not sci-fi *NM* BlackAdder - 20/11/2009 03:08:26 PM 430 Views
RJ has stated that channelers can Travel to other planets, even other solar systems... Shannow - 20/11/2009 03:12:37 PM 758 Views
I didn't expect him to answer that question, it was just something I was wondering about Ryan - 20/11/2009 04:06:53 PM 810 Views
OK... BlackAdder - 20/11/2009 05:15:32 PM 717 Views
Moghedien talks about how they travelled to other stars in the Age of Legends... Shannow - 20/11/2009 06:09:17 PM 879 Views
Because it is a world that is undergoing an industrial revolution Ryan - 21/11/2009 01:19:28 AM 725 Views
Tied off gateways dissappear after a while *NM* Logain - 20/11/2009 03:15:56 PM 384 Views
No. Only if the knott is deliberately tied loosely... Shannow - 20/11/2009 03:20:18 PM 694 Views
This brings up an "Evil Wins, What Next?" scenario I've always wondered about Sandwich - 20/11/2009 03:39:14 PM 836 Views
Nah Ryan - 20/11/2009 04:12:27 PM 705 Views
Read Sanderson's Mistborn trilogy. =) *NM* Rand al'Thor - 20/11/2009 07:18:01 PM 412 Views
The DO doesn't have the motivations of the forsaken, he doesn't think like a human... Napoleon62 - 22/11/2009 03:38:15 PM 831 Views
They would have to know the bottom of the ocean very well to create. *NM* LlordNakcor - 20/11/2009 05:02:50 PM 354 Views
Wouldn't be too hard, given Rand's trick. *NM* BlackAdder - 20/11/2009 05:12:22 PM 400 Views
Intense preasure would kill you before you could weave or a hell of a shield bubble *NM* LlordNakcor - 20/11/2009 07:01:58 PM 487 Views
You're kidding right? LewsTherin10 - 20/11/2009 05:31:36 PM 722 Views
Yeah, this has actually been discussed Marshall - 20/11/2009 05:50:21 PM 926 Views
Re: Yeah, this has actually been discussed Lohikaarme - 21/08/2010 02:19:15 AM 726 Views
Gateway "magic" accounts for this, or most gateways would have STRONG breeze Asha'man Warder - 20/11/2009 06:43:44 PM 811 Views
Very conducive places, the bottom of the sea and outer space... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2009 07:01:56 PM 4182 Views
Knee jerk disagreement without thinking beyond: "I don't like the idea so let's flame it..." Shannow - 20/11/2009 07:12:38 PM 945 Views
Actually... Rand al'Thor - 20/11/2009 09:15:39 PM 787 Views
And your response is even sillier ideas? Think for more than three minutes before responding again. fionwe1987 - 20/11/2009 11:08:59 PM 714 Views
I must say... this has been highly entertaining! *NM* BlackAdder - 21/11/2009 01:59:51 AM 702 Views
Yeah... I've been chuckling at this whole thread Sidious - 21/11/2009 10:23:51 AM 838 Views
You need to go read FoH again... Shannow - 21/11/2009 03:35:01 AM 833 Views
The Silliness Continues-Part IV of Shannow's crazy ways to commit suicide... fionwe1987 - 21/11/2009 05:44:34 AM 727 Views
Struggling a bit are you? Shannow - 21/11/2009 06:30:13 AM 796 Views
On the limits of power guttering flame - 21/11/2009 07:32:44 AM 763 Views
Great question. These fundamental issues are the REAL challenges to be overcome, yes... Shannow - 21/11/2009 07:50:46 AM 741 Views
Thanks guttering flame - 21/11/2009 08:03:28 AM 768 Views
Fluids CAN move across gateways on their own. We saw it with the draft of wind in tGS. *NM* BlackAdder - 21/11/2009 01:32:46 PM 421 Views
Oh, and regarding the new Travelling skill Nynaeve mentions in tGS... Shannow - 21/11/2009 08:03:45 AM 780 Views
Ah, thanks guttering flame - 21/11/2009 08:10:48 AM 712 Views
Actually, I just reread that passage, and now I'm confused again... Shannow - 21/11/2009 08:30:17 AM 735 Views
Its pretty simple... fionwe1987 - 21/11/2009 08:07:14 PM 689 Views
You don't learn a place when you Travel TO it... Shannow - 21/11/2009 08:23:11 PM 716 Views
The same issue again... fionwe1987 - 21/11/2009 08:58:37 PM 700 Views
No, you're wrong, and here are the quotes... Shannow - 22/11/2009 06:51:06 AM 908 Views
That might mean nothing... fionwe1987 - 22/11/2009 06:37:33 PM 812 Views
That does seem inconsistent... Legolas - 21/11/2009 09:25:52 PM 950 Views
They might have shared Gateways, so only those who wove them know the area? *NM* Marshall - 21/11/2009 10:00:04 PM 362 Views
That has to be the first sensible question broached in this thread... Legolas - 21/11/2009 09:18:59 PM 887 Views
Since Shannow seems to think disagreeing with him is EVIL... fionwe1987 - 21/11/2009 08:38:55 PM 753 Views
Re: On the limits of power Tor - 20/08/2010 06:25:19 PM 710 Views
Such a geek Camilla - 20/08/2010 08:08:11 PM 904 Views
The One Power is completely impenetrable to regular matter Marshall - 21/11/2009 08:16:58 AM 671 Views
The simplest explanation'd be that GWs can't be opened in water, since it moves/changes constantly Lordling - 20/11/2009 07:27:08 PM 658 Views
Balefire is much, much easier . TheCrownless - 20/11/2009 08:50:24 PM 716 Views
Or balefire Rand. Wait a few generations near Dragonmount, kidnap all children born on the slopes... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 20/11/2009 09:07:46 PM 739 Views
The Forsaken DON'T want to defeat the Light. Rand al'Thor - 20/11/2009 09:18:42 PM 826 Views
Why didn't Frodo and Sam just ride the Eagles to Mt. Doom, and toss the Ring then fly back? *NM* Wotmaniac Reborn - 20/11/2009 10:35:17 PM 396 Views
lol Straight from www.HowMoviesShouldHaveEnded.com *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/11/2009 01:15:45 AM 366 Views
The Forsaken are still doing the Light's will. Great Lord of Chaos - 21/11/2009 01:42:16 AM 702 Views
Actually here's an even simpler idea: open a gateway into a Black Hole. *NM* BlackAdder - 21/11/2009 01:53:38 AM 476 Views
You can't...there aren't any Black Holes close enough... Shannow - 21/11/2009 03:22:38 AM 740 Views
Doubtful Marshall - 21/11/2009 03:29:35 AM 683 Views
Let me clarify...you CAN Travel to other solar system... Shannow - 21/11/2009 03:39:36 AM 771 Views
You're right, I just went back and checked the sources Marshall - 24/11/2009 12:04:09 AM 684 Views
Surely Moridin could channel enough of the True Power... *NM* BlackAdder - 21/11/2009 01:19:05 PM 323 Views
Moridin cannot channel any more of the True Power than he can of the One Power. Shannow - 21/11/2009 01:58:30 PM 675 Views
He managed to do great fits with the power he had. guttering flame - 21/11/2009 05:12:52 PM 656 Views
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