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The Silliness Continues-Part IV of Shannow's crazy ways to commit suicide... fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 21/11/2009 05:44:34 AM
I'll help you out. In the battle against Rahvin and Sevanna's boyfriend's armies, Rand attacks forces up to 5 miles away. He then also says that this is effectively the maximum distance he can reach. This was with the little man angreal, so you can maybe half that distance to be conservative, for when he channels unaided. Although it is not certain that he would have to reduce his distance without the angreal - he may just not be able to make weaves as powerful, but at the same distance.

Either way, we are talking a distance of miles here.[/quote]
Miles where he can make weaves that don't require him to know the place!
Your argument is like saying that since Rand can make a fireball anywhere with knowing the place, he can open Gateways without knowing the place!
As for not knowing the sea floor - he has his new trick from tGS, described by Nynaeve.

Did you read my post? I showed how useless this was!
But even better, he can simply make a gateway from in front of his ship to the sea floor - facing AWAY from him. The result would be a jet of water of unimaginable strength blasting out of the opening away from the ship. Then all he needs to do is spin a second gateway, facing the first one, 1 milimetre away from it. This second gateway opens into space.

And what happens when the gateway into space opens? He gets sucked into space himself! Or he asphyxiates because of the amount of air being sucked out of the atmosphere around him.
Plus, with this kind of an "open plug" at the bottom of the ocean, you'll promptly get a powerful whirlpool, further confusing Ishamael, and maybe even preventing a second gateway.

The result is the massive jet of water from the first gateway blasting straight through the second one and emptying into space.

Now he just inverts and hides these weaves with Illusion, and Bob's your uncle.

Sorry. Bob cannot be my uncle till he makes sense.
Hell, he doesn't even have to use a ship. He can sit in a cave in the Blight somewhere and complete the whole operation in minutes. In that case he just needs to make the gateway to space first, and the one opening to the sea floor, second. And even better, he should make the opening into space maybe a foot larger than the one into the sea, to make sure the entire water stream from the smaller gateway fits into it without any hassle.

Dude, are you thinking of the consequences of your action? The moment he opens a gateway into space, he's going to get sucked into it. I highly doubt even the strongest channeler can withstand or dam such forces. They cannot even defy gravity and fly, using just a weave!
And lastly, he should encapsulate this little contraption with a sphere of Air that is sealed off, unless he wants the earth's atmosphere to also drain away into space. Heck, come to think of it, maybe he actually WANTS to do that too.

And what sphere of air is going to be sufficient against the sucking force a gateway into space will create?
I mean really. There are whacko ideas about OP use out there, but this is just plain nonsense.
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Read Sanderson's Mistborn trilogy. =) *NM* - 20/11/2009 07:18:01 PM 454 Views
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You're kidding right? - 20/11/2009 05:31:36 PM 807 Views
Yeah, this has actually been discussed - 20/11/2009 05:50:21 PM 1020 Views
Re: Yeah, this has actually been discussed - 21/08/2010 02:19:15 AM 812 Views
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And your response is even sillier ideas? Think for more than three minutes before responding again. - 20/11/2009 11:08:59 PM 807 Views
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Yeah... I've been chuckling at this whole thread - 21/11/2009 10:23:51 AM 922 Views
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Thanks - 21/11/2009 08:03:28 AM 860 Views
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Ah, thanks - 21/11/2009 08:10:48 AM 799 Views
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The same issue again... - 21/11/2009 08:58:37 PM 792 Views
No, you're wrong, and here are the quotes... - 22/11/2009 06:51:06 AM 986 Views
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lol Straight from www.HowMoviesShouldHaveEnded.com *NM* - 21/11/2009 01:15:45 AM 403 Views
The Forsaken are still doing the Light's will. - 21/11/2009 01:42:16 AM 792 Views
Actually here's an even simpler idea: open a gateway into a Black Hole. *NM* - 21/11/2009 01:53:38 AM 513 Views
You can't...there aren't any Black Holes close enough... - 21/11/2009 03:22:38 AM 825 Views
Doubtful - 21/11/2009 03:29:35 AM 777 Views
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Surely Moridin could channel enough of the True Power... *NM* - 21/11/2009 01:19:05 PM 364 Views
Moridin cannot channel any more of the True Power than he can of the One Power. - 21/11/2009 01:58:30 PM 755 Views
He managed to do great fits with the power he had. - 21/11/2009 05:12:52 PM 740 Views

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