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Hehe... Shannow Send a noteboard - 20/11/2009 05:25:56 PM
Looks like I touched a nerve there.

Just to correct you. I have definitely not contended that Semirhage's humiliation is a new approach to the Forsaken. Sadly, it is not. Instead, it merely takes an existing trend to a greater and unprecedented height.


Personally I find it a poor way to maintain suspense in the story. And I find it interesting that the new author who is completing this series seems to share my distaste at the effect such a scene has on the building tension.

Is Hannibal Lecter a better person than Semirhage? No, they seem to be carbon copies of one another.

Now, imagine Silence of the Lambs if Hannibal is totally ridiculed by Clarice's maiden aunt, who takes to his bottom with a slipper and makes him cry in humiliation.

I can give countless examples, from countless suspense novels and movies of where such a scene would have destroyed the suspense.

In any case, I'm not trying to convince you. But I am trying to point out that you're WRONG.

Personally, a scene where Semirhage looks on in horror as Alivia blasts her arm off at the elbow, before Min plunges a dagger into her spleen, and Narishma blows her legs off with an exploding flesh weave, would have been far more dramatic, and an equally just end for this "monster" of a Forsaken.

The spanking, in contrast, just had me blinking in surprise and checking the book's cover to make sure I wasn't reading some comedic rip-off of the series.

Despite what you and others claim, I think we were poorly prepared for this scene. Semirhage has NEVER been portrayed as someone who cares in the least what others think of her. She is a somewhat deranged loner who dwells in her own fantasy world, and cares solely for the pleasure of torturing people.

She is no coward, and dispassionately isolates her own feelings of fear for later examination and analysis. If anything, she has seemed to go through life oblivious of what other people think, focused only on her own, unique obsessions and pleasures.

The Cadsuane scene came out of nowhere, and the explanation behind Semirhage's sudden collapse into tears left much to be desired. The Semirhage in the spanking scene did not add up to the Semirhage we have seen throughout the rest of the series.

What one would have expected to see in this scene, was Semirhage calmly saying to Cadsuane:

"Someone once tried to lay a hand on me before, girl. I ate her liver with a nice Chianti and some fava beans."





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Semirhage vs Cadsuane - in Sanderson's words... - 19/11/2009 09:58:19 PM 3069 Views
The two of you are pathetic - 19/11/2009 10:09:34 PM 1565 Views
Your problem is... - 19/11/2009 10:21:40 PM 1474 Views
Well said. It takes something away from the story. *NM* - 19/11/2009 10:34:41 PM 669 Views
No. - 20/11/2009 08:15:32 AM 1266 Views
And now he's not "blind" anymore - 20/11/2009 08:20:56 AM 1177 Views
*Cough* MoridinDemandredTaim *Cough* *NM* - 21/11/2009 06:16:14 PM 561 Views
*cough* philosopherguywhosdonenothingcrazyperson *cough* - 22/11/2009 05:19:20 PM 1283 Views
Well said. Compare her to, say, Mogheidan. - 20/11/2009 08:17:57 AM 1256 Views
True to a degree - 20/11/2009 08:26:20 AM 1182 Views
There's a little more to it as well - 20/11/2009 08:51:03 AM 1145 Views
You know, I agree - 19/11/2009 11:12:49 PM 1232 Views
But she gave us a clue as to how she might be broken. - 20/11/2009 08:17:04 AM 1077 Views
I would love to see tSR and tFoH from Moiraine's perspective - 20/11/2009 08:22:55 AM 1046 Views
I imagine it took A LOT of frustration and anger management. *NM* - 20/11/2009 08:27:13 AM 607 Views
I don't think Moiraine became meek at all - 20/11/2009 11:06:05 AM 1039 Views
That's what I meant, actually - 21/11/2009 03:44:26 AM 1061 Views
I don't think Rand will do it, though - 20/11/2009 11:10:27 AM 996 Views
Re: You know, I agree - 09/05/2010 09:08:58 PM 1171 Views
I agree with Cannoli completely. (Did I just say that?) - 19/11/2009 11:18:09 PM 1227 Views
And I agree with Rand al'Thor. - 19/11/2009 11:35:55 PM 1085 Views
And I agree with Fanatic-Templar. - 20/11/2009 10:40:26 PM 1137 Views
Ditto *NM* - 21/06/2010 01:15:04 PM 534 Views
I didn't like it for the same reason I don't like the Aes Sedai much anymore - 20/11/2009 07:40:31 AM 1123 Views
And also - 20/11/2009 11:08:39 AM 1097 Views
Actually, it did, but it didn't care about him at all. - 20/11/2009 10:21:02 PM 1004 Views
Re: The two of you are pathetic - 08/05/2010 12:05:51 AM 1133 Views
personally, I loved the scene - 19/11/2009 10:10:44 PM 1279 Views
Agreed. I thought it worked. *NM* - 19/11/2009 10:40:04 PM 605 Views
Are you feeling all right? If you are, Cannoli is right, and you're pathetic. - 19/11/2009 10:18:54 PM 1223 Views
See my response to Cannoli. *NM* - 19/11/2009 10:25:15 PM 655 Views
That was barely a response... - 20/11/2009 12:43:07 AM 1091 Views
There's always more than one way for a story to "logically" progress - 20/11/2009 08:07:44 AM 1100 Views
Re: That was barely a response... - 08/05/2010 12:24:55 AM 1161 Views
Evil IS cool! This is storytelling, not a morality play. - 20/11/2009 08:01:17 AM 1105 Views
On the other hand - 20/11/2009 11:13:54 AM 1041 Views
Re: Evil IS cool! This is storytelling, not a morality play. - 20/11/2009 10:50:07 PM 1055 Views
Yeah, Semi never got much screentime - 21/11/2009 03:47:27 AM 1088 Views
Re: Yeah, Semi never got much screentime - 21/11/2009 04:09:26 AM 1081 Views
Re: Evil IS cool! This is storytelling, not a morality play. - 08/05/2010 01:17:07 AM 1126 Views
Oh, they're quite good at killing people. - 08/05/2010 06:47:35 AM 1033 Views
Re: Oh, they're quite good at killing people. - 09/05/2010 06:09:38 PM 1147 Views
Actually, it's why they're still alive. - 09/05/2010 06:32:22 PM 970 Views
Re: Actually, it's why they're still alive. - 21/06/2010 01:15:19 AM 1018 Views
Re: Actually, it's why they're still alive. - 21/06/2010 01:32:25 AM 1106 Views
Are they? Why are Mat, Perrin and the Wondergirls still alive? - 13/05/2010 12:47:57 AM 1037 Views
Nobody's even tried to kill them since Ishamael died, until he gave the order again in KoD. - 13/05/2010 01:13:02 AM 1005 Views
It'd be harder to kill them now as they have come into their own power - 21/06/2010 01:18:31 AM 987 Views
... - 21/06/2010 01:34:51 AM 1071 Views
If they're good at killing people - 06/07/2010 10:00:41 PM 866 Views
I loved that scene - it's actually dog-eared because it's one of my favorites. - 19/11/2009 10:37:33 PM 1144 Views
exactly *NM* - 19/11/2009 11:06:48 PM 601 Views
Really liked her complaints about the food - 20/11/2009 10:42:57 PM 1117 Views
I'd love to see Mat spanking Caddy as he did Joline - 19/11/2009 10:48:21 PM 1189 Views
I'd like to see that too . - 19/11/2009 11:40:26 PM 1014 Views
I actually think Mat needs a spanking. *NM* - 20/11/2009 10:23:46 PM 598 Views
I had no problem with the spanking... - 19/11/2009 11:07:07 PM 1150 Views
Best news I've heard all day *NM* - 19/11/2009 11:09:49 PM 690 Views
Actually... what happened to Semirhage was BEAUTIFUL. - 19/11/2009 11:28:29 PM 1206 Views
I agree with your second half - 20/11/2009 08:27:07 AM 1031 Views
The Forsaken aren't lame, they just aren't that special - 20/11/2009 12:30:51 PM 1044 Views
Their lack of special-ness has made them become lame villians - 21/11/2009 03:50:50 AM 1065 Views
She is dead to me! - 20/11/2009 12:25:42 AM 908 Views
I agree with Cannoli and Fionwe's on the best way to handle Semirhage - 20/11/2009 04:17:41 AM 995 Views
Book 14 you think - 20/11/2009 04:55:29 AM 1025 Views
So would you enjoy seeing Moridin pulled over Cadsuane's knee and spanked? - 20/11/2009 07:48:45 AM 1137 Views
You're upset about the spanking and have missed the reason for it. - 20/11/2009 03:05:50 PM 1173 Views
Don't avoid the question... - 20/11/2009 03:27:23 PM 1085 Views
I'm not avoiding anything, just pointing out how silly this post is - 20/11/2009 04:50:17 PM 1067 Views
Hehe... - 20/11/2009 05:25:56 PM 1081 Views
Re: Hehe... - 21/11/2009 10:44:06 AM 1068 Views
- 20/11/2009 10:36:36 PM 989 Views
Hey now... imagine how Balthamel's fans feel - 21/11/2009 02:21:48 AM 1042 Views
I think Aginor was the worst. - 21/11/2009 04:10:51 AM 991 Views
Re: - 21/11/2009 10:26:53 AM 1053 Views
The thing that bothers me is that you're right - 20/11/2009 08:10:44 AM 1032 Views
Except that Demandred is the one Darksider who knows about Elayne - 21/11/2009 06:30:26 PM 1115 Views
Re: Except that Demandred is the one Darksider who knows about Elayne - 22/11/2009 10:13:44 AM 1334 Views
He was dispatched 'fairly easily' because he was betrayed by Moridin . - 22/11/2009 08:09:38 PM 965 Views
because thats what sadists are! - 20/11/2009 04:03:31 PM 1317 Views
How many people - 08/05/2010 12:30:17 AM 1029 Views
At least two. - 10/05/2010 02:10:31 PM 905 Views
Re: At least two. - 21/06/2010 01:24:53 AM 1163 Views
Shame has traditionally been one of the greatest ways of enforcing public order - 21/06/2010 02:55:54 AM 1022 Views
Re: Semirhage vs Cadsuane - in Sanderson's words... - 29/06/2010 10:29:51 PM 1236 Views
Cadsuane was brilliant in that scene. - 02/07/2010 12:41:06 AM 1078 Views

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