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You're upset about the spanking and have missed the reason for it. Sidious Send a noteboard - 20/11/2009 03:05:50 PM

Moridin is far more evil than Semirhage. Semirhage likes torturing individuals. Moridin want's to kill all of humanity.

Would it give you satisfaction to see Cadsuane put pigtails in his hair, dress him in a nappy and slap his bottom because he was such a naughty boy?

My point is, evil should lose yes, but it should not be ridiculed. Else the story loses its suspense.

Semirhage being balefired is good. Semirhage being spanked like a little girl is a farce.


There are some themes in the book, and this one was pretty obvious. It's made clear over the course of several chapters that Semirhage cannot be broken or intimidated, and even from her own PoV she says that she was ready for hot coals and other torture and even looking forward to it. This was the dilemma posed to Cadsuane, who needed information from her. Cadsuane also found herself wondering about how similar she is to Semirhage.

Therefore, when Cadsuane figured out that losing her status as a legendary Aes Sedai was the worst nightmare she could experience, she applied it to Semirhage, who is extremely proud of her evil reputation. Therefore humiliation broke this legendary Forsaken. It even reduced her to tears.

It's therefore illogical to say that it would be offensive to see Moridin in pigtails. It's not about Cadsuane or Robert Jordan finding ways to humiliate the Shadow. It's about people trying to find ways to break the unbreakable. Rand had the same problem with Graendal - he couldn't find out how to destroy a sneaky woman who was more intelligent than him, and so he commited a mass atrocity.

This is why I am convinced Demandred is next - because where there is a source of intense hatred, it is easy to bait. Moghedien will once again be lured by revenge against Nynaeve and Cyndane against Rand. All the Forsaken have weaknesses, and that was Semirhage's.
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Semirhage vs Cadsuane - in Sanderson's words... - 19/11/2009 09:58:19 PM 3162 Views
The two of you are pathetic - 19/11/2009 10:09:34 PM 1644 Views
Your problem is... - 19/11/2009 10:21:40 PM 1562 Views
Well said. It takes something away from the story. *NM* - 19/11/2009 10:34:41 PM 720 Views
No. - 20/11/2009 08:15:32 AM 1356 Views
And now he's not "blind" anymore - 20/11/2009 08:20:56 AM 1267 Views
*Cough* MoridinDemandredTaim *Cough* *NM* - 21/11/2009 06:16:14 PM 600 Views
*cough* philosopherguywhosdonenothingcrazyperson *cough* - 22/11/2009 05:19:20 PM 1365 Views
Well said. Compare her to, say, Mogheidan. - 20/11/2009 08:17:57 AM 1327 Views
True to a degree - 20/11/2009 08:26:20 AM 1268 Views
There's a little more to it as well - 20/11/2009 08:51:03 AM 1230 Views
You know, I agree - 19/11/2009 11:12:49 PM 1315 Views
But she gave us a clue as to how she might be broken. - 20/11/2009 08:17:04 AM 1164 Views
I would love to see tSR and tFoH from Moiraine's perspective - 20/11/2009 08:22:55 AM 1134 Views
I imagine it took A LOT of frustration and anger management. *NM* - 20/11/2009 08:27:13 AM 650 Views
I don't think Moiraine became meek at all - 20/11/2009 11:06:05 AM 1151 Views
That's what I meant, actually - 21/11/2009 03:44:26 AM 1140 Views
I don't think Rand will do it, though - 20/11/2009 11:10:27 AM 1103 Views
Re: You know, I agree - 09/05/2010 09:08:58 PM 1248 Views
I agree with Cannoli completely. (Did I just say that?) - 19/11/2009 11:18:09 PM 1332 Views
And I agree with Rand al'Thor. - 19/11/2009 11:35:55 PM 1180 Views
And I agree with Fanatic-Templar. - 20/11/2009 10:40:26 PM 1231 Views
Ditto *NM* - 21/06/2010 01:15:04 PM 577 Views
I didn't like it for the same reason I don't like the Aes Sedai much anymore - 20/11/2009 07:40:31 AM 1241 Views
And also - 20/11/2009 11:08:39 AM 1187 Views
Actually, it did, but it didn't care about him at all. - 20/11/2009 10:21:02 PM 1087 Views
Re: The two of you are pathetic - 08/05/2010 12:05:51 AM 1225 Views
personally, I loved the scene - 19/11/2009 10:10:44 PM 1387 Views
Agreed. I thought it worked. *NM* - 19/11/2009 10:40:04 PM 649 Views
Are you feeling all right? If you are, Cannoli is right, and you're pathetic. - 19/11/2009 10:18:54 PM 1310 Views
See my response to Cannoli. *NM* - 19/11/2009 10:25:15 PM 690 Views
That was barely a response... - 20/11/2009 12:43:07 AM 1188 Views
There's always more than one way for a story to "logically" progress - 20/11/2009 08:07:44 AM 1179 Views
Re: That was barely a response... - 08/05/2010 12:24:55 AM 1245 Views
Evil IS cool! This is storytelling, not a morality play. - 20/11/2009 08:01:17 AM 1189 Views
On the other hand - 20/11/2009 11:13:54 AM 1174 Views
Re: Evil IS cool! This is storytelling, not a morality play. - 20/11/2009 10:50:07 PM 1147 Views
Yeah, Semi never got much screentime - 21/11/2009 03:47:27 AM 1213 Views
Re: Yeah, Semi never got much screentime - 21/11/2009 04:09:26 AM 1166 Views
Re: Evil IS cool! This is storytelling, not a morality play. - 08/05/2010 01:17:07 AM 1206 Views
Oh, they're quite good at killing people. - 08/05/2010 06:47:35 AM 1120 Views
Re: Oh, they're quite good at killing people. - 09/05/2010 06:09:38 PM 1235 Views
Actually, it's why they're still alive. - 09/05/2010 06:32:22 PM 1078 Views
Re: Actually, it's why they're still alive. - 21/06/2010 01:15:19 AM 1100 Views
Re: Actually, it's why they're still alive. - 21/06/2010 01:32:25 AM 1209 Views
Are they? Why are Mat, Perrin and the Wondergirls still alive? - 13/05/2010 12:47:57 AM 1115 Views
Nobody's even tried to kill them since Ishamael died, until he gave the order again in KoD. - 13/05/2010 01:13:02 AM 1097 Views
It'd be harder to kill them now as they have come into their own power - 21/06/2010 01:18:31 AM 1073 Views
... - 21/06/2010 01:34:51 AM 1162 Views
If they're good at killing people - 06/07/2010 10:00:41 PM 970 Views
I loved that scene - it's actually dog-eared because it's one of my favorites. - 19/11/2009 10:37:33 PM 1231 Views
exactly *NM* - 19/11/2009 11:06:48 PM 637 Views
Really liked her complaints about the food - 20/11/2009 10:42:57 PM 1211 Views
I'd love to see Mat spanking Caddy as he did Joline - 19/11/2009 10:48:21 PM 1284 Views
I'd like to see that too . - 19/11/2009 11:40:26 PM 1112 Views
I actually think Mat needs a spanking. *NM* - 20/11/2009 10:23:46 PM 635 Views
I had no problem with the spanking... - 19/11/2009 11:07:07 PM 1301 Views
Best news I've heard all day *NM* - 19/11/2009 11:09:49 PM 734 Views
Actually... what happened to Semirhage was BEAUTIFUL. - 19/11/2009 11:28:29 PM 1339 Views
I agree with your second half - 20/11/2009 08:27:07 AM 1121 Views
The Forsaken aren't lame, they just aren't that special - 20/11/2009 12:30:51 PM 1132 Views
Their lack of special-ness has made them become lame villians - 21/11/2009 03:50:50 AM 1137 Views
She is dead to me! - 20/11/2009 12:25:42 AM 1048 Views
I agree with Cannoli and Fionwe's on the best way to handle Semirhage - 20/11/2009 04:17:41 AM 1085 Views
Book 14 you think - 20/11/2009 04:55:29 AM 1117 Views
So would you enjoy seeing Moridin pulled over Cadsuane's knee and spanked? - 20/11/2009 07:48:45 AM 1225 Views
You're upset about the spanking and have missed the reason for it. - 20/11/2009 03:05:50 PM 1251 Views
Don't avoid the question... - 20/11/2009 03:27:23 PM 1172 Views
I'm not avoiding anything, just pointing out how silly this post is - 20/11/2009 04:50:17 PM 1175 Views
Hehe... - 20/11/2009 05:25:56 PM 1191 Views
Re: Hehe... - 21/11/2009 10:44:06 AM 1194 Views
- 20/11/2009 10:36:36 PM 1073 Views
Hey now... imagine how Balthamel's fans feel - 21/11/2009 02:21:48 AM 1124 Views
I think Aginor was the worst. - 21/11/2009 04:10:51 AM 1103 Views
Re: - 21/11/2009 10:26:53 AM 1134 Views
The thing that bothers me is that you're right - 20/11/2009 08:10:44 AM 1121 Views
Except that Demandred is the one Darksider who knows about Elayne - 21/11/2009 06:30:26 PM 1193 Views
Re: Except that Demandred is the one Darksider who knows about Elayne - 22/11/2009 10:13:44 AM 1447 Views
He was dispatched 'fairly easily' because he was betrayed by Moridin . - 22/11/2009 08:09:38 PM 1055 Views
because thats what sadists are! - 20/11/2009 04:03:31 PM 1464 Views
How many people - 08/05/2010 12:30:17 AM 1162 Views
At least two. - 10/05/2010 02:10:31 PM 986 Views
Re: At least two. - 21/06/2010 01:24:53 AM 1290 Views
Shame has traditionally been one of the greatest ways of enforcing public order - 21/06/2010 02:55:54 AM 1123 Views
Re: Semirhage vs Cadsuane - in Sanderson's words... - 29/06/2010 10:29:51 PM 1347 Views
Cadsuane was brilliant in that scene. - 02/07/2010 12:41:06 AM 1175 Views

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