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I didn't like it for the same reason I don't like the Aes Sedai much anymore beetnemesis Send a noteboard - 20/11/2009 07:40:31 AM
I don't care how realistic and logical and deserved it was- it completely defanged one of the few sources of actual dread left in the series.



Right, so... the Aes Sedai are this monolithic group of mysterious superwomen, who may be benevolent, may be inscrutable, but are always ineffable.

Except then we actually get to know them, and find that they have some of the human flaws you'd expect from being treated as ultrapowerful, feared and mistrusted superwomen. And now they're not nearly as mysterious or powerful, and they mostly just bicker amongst themselves.

It's reasonable, and certainly a logical progression of the plot, but I can't help but be wistful for the Aes Sedai of the first half of the series, or of New Spring (especially New Spring, I'd say- I think they nicely balanced the humanity and menace of the White Tower there).



There isn't much scary left in Randland. Yes, yes, the Dark One is breaking free, the end of the world is coming, blah blah. An antagonist needs to be more than just a nameless evil, though. In LotR, however evil Sauron may be, we still need Saruman and Wormtongue and the Orcs and the Ghost King and all the rest.

The Forsaken are mostly jokes at this point. This was done deliberately- Moridin doesn't respect them, and they're more like petty schemers that enjoy using their superpowers than Evil Lords of Darkness. Trollocs are cannon fodder at this point. A Grey Man hasn't killed a single person of note in the entire series.

Fain's pretty dangerous, but he almost never shows up anymore. Ditto the gholam, and Slayer. In any case, those three aren't really schemers; they can't do much to inspire dread. Fain could have, once, but he's not at that level anymore.



So Semirhage, the black-robed Mistress of Pain, the woman who tortured whatshername-Sedai and her Warder, was turned into nothing more than a petulant child who demanded attention. It was reasonable, and a logical plot progression- but I don't have to like it, story wise.
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Semirhage vs Cadsuane - in Sanderson's words... - 19/11/2009 09:58:19 PM 3056 Views
The two of you are pathetic - 19/11/2009 10:09:34 PM 1554 Views
Your problem is... - 19/11/2009 10:21:40 PM 1464 Views
Well said. It takes something away from the story. *NM* - 19/11/2009 10:34:41 PM 666 Views
No. - 20/11/2009 08:15:32 AM 1252 Views
And now he's not "blind" anymore - 20/11/2009 08:20:56 AM 1160 Views
*Cough* MoridinDemandredTaim *Cough* *NM* - 21/11/2009 06:16:14 PM 557 Views
*cough* philosopherguywhosdonenothingcrazyperson *cough* - 22/11/2009 05:19:20 PM 1273 Views
Well said. Compare her to, say, Mogheidan. - 20/11/2009 08:17:57 AM 1245 Views
True to a degree - 20/11/2009 08:26:20 AM 1172 Views
There's a little more to it as well - 20/11/2009 08:51:03 AM 1137 Views
You know, I agree - 19/11/2009 11:12:49 PM 1223 Views
But she gave us a clue as to how she might be broken. - 20/11/2009 08:17:04 AM 1068 Views
I would love to see tSR and tFoH from Moiraine's perspective - 20/11/2009 08:22:55 AM 1037 Views
I imagine it took A LOT of frustration and anger management. *NM* - 20/11/2009 08:27:13 AM 603 Views
I don't think Moiraine became meek at all - 20/11/2009 11:06:05 AM 1029 Views
That's what I meant, actually - 21/11/2009 03:44:26 AM 1050 Views
I don't think Rand will do it, though - 20/11/2009 11:10:27 AM 987 Views
Re: You know, I agree - 09/05/2010 09:08:58 PM 1163 Views
I agree with Cannoli completely. (Did I just say that?) - 19/11/2009 11:18:09 PM 1217 Views
And I agree with Rand al'Thor. - 19/11/2009 11:35:55 PM 1063 Views
And I agree with Fanatic-Templar. - 20/11/2009 10:40:26 PM 1128 Views
Ditto *NM* - 21/06/2010 01:15:04 PM 529 Views
I didn't like it for the same reason I don't like the Aes Sedai much anymore - 20/11/2009 07:40:31 AM 1108 Views
And also - 20/11/2009 11:08:39 AM 1081 Views
Actually, it did, but it didn't care about him at all. - 20/11/2009 10:21:02 PM 994 Views
Re: The two of you are pathetic - 08/05/2010 12:05:51 AM 1123 Views
personally, I loved the scene - 19/11/2009 10:10:44 PM 1268 Views
Agreed. I thought it worked. *NM* - 19/11/2009 10:40:04 PM 602 Views
Are you feeling all right? If you are, Cannoli is right, and you're pathetic. - 19/11/2009 10:18:54 PM 1212 Views
See my response to Cannoli. *NM* - 19/11/2009 10:25:15 PM 650 Views
That was barely a response... - 20/11/2009 12:43:07 AM 1076 Views
There's always more than one way for a story to "logically" progress - 20/11/2009 08:07:44 AM 1090 Views
Re: That was barely a response... - 08/05/2010 12:24:55 AM 1151 Views
Evil IS cool! This is storytelling, not a morality play. - 20/11/2009 08:01:17 AM 1094 Views
On the other hand - 20/11/2009 11:13:54 AM 1024 Views
Re: Evil IS cool! This is storytelling, not a morality play. - 20/11/2009 10:50:07 PM 1044 Views
Yeah, Semi never got much screentime - 21/11/2009 03:47:27 AM 1078 Views
Re: Yeah, Semi never got much screentime - 21/11/2009 04:09:26 AM 1066 Views
Re: Evil IS cool! This is storytelling, not a morality play. - 08/05/2010 01:17:07 AM 1117 Views
Oh, they're quite good at killing people. - 08/05/2010 06:47:35 AM 1022 Views
Re: Oh, they're quite good at killing people. - 09/05/2010 06:09:38 PM 1136 Views
Actually, it's why they're still alive. - 09/05/2010 06:32:22 PM 960 Views
Re: Actually, it's why they're still alive. - 21/06/2010 01:15:19 AM 1011 Views
Re: Actually, it's why they're still alive. - 21/06/2010 01:32:25 AM 1098 Views
Are they? Why are Mat, Perrin and the Wondergirls still alive? - 13/05/2010 12:47:57 AM 1012 Views
Nobody's even tried to kill them since Ishamael died, until he gave the order again in KoD. - 13/05/2010 01:13:02 AM 997 Views
It'd be harder to kill them now as they have come into their own power - 21/06/2010 01:18:31 AM 976 Views
... - 21/06/2010 01:34:51 AM 1062 Views
If they're good at killing people - 06/07/2010 10:00:41 PM 857 Views
I loved that scene - it's actually dog-eared because it's one of my favorites. - 19/11/2009 10:37:33 PM 1132 Views
exactly *NM* - 19/11/2009 11:06:48 PM 598 Views
Really liked her complaints about the food - 20/11/2009 10:42:57 PM 1107 Views
I'd love to see Mat spanking Caddy as he did Joline - 19/11/2009 10:48:21 PM 1176 Views
I'd like to see that too . - 19/11/2009 11:40:26 PM 1003 Views
I actually think Mat needs a spanking. *NM* - 20/11/2009 10:23:46 PM 594 Views
I had no problem with the spanking... - 19/11/2009 11:07:07 PM 1132 Views
Best news I've heard all day *NM* - 19/11/2009 11:09:49 PM 684 Views
Actually... what happened to Semirhage was BEAUTIFUL. - 19/11/2009 11:28:29 PM 1185 Views
I agree with your second half - 20/11/2009 08:27:07 AM 1020 Views
The Forsaken aren't lame, they just aren't that special - 20/11/2009 12:30:51 PM 1036 Views
Their lack of special-ness has made them become lame villians - 21/11/2009 03:50:50 AM 1054 Views
She is dead to me! - 20/11/2009 12:25:42 AM 898 Views
I agree with Cannoli and Fionwe's on the best way to handle Semirhage - 20/11/2009 04:17:41 AM 982 Views
Book 14 you think - 20/11/2009 04:55:29 AM 1017 Views
So would you enjoy seeing Moridin pulled over Cadsuane's knee and spanked? - 20/11/2009 07:48:45 AM 1125 Views
You're upset about the spanking and have missed the reason for it. - 20/11/2009 03:05:50 PM 1158 Views
Don't avoid the question... - 20/11/2009 03:27:23 PM 1071 Views
I'm not avoiding anything, just pointing out how silly this post is - 20/11/2009 04:50:17 PM 1055 Views
Hehe... - 20/11/2009 05:25:56 PM 1061 Views
Re: Hehe... - 21/11/2009 10:44:06 AM 1058 Views
- 20/11/2009 10:36:36 PM 978 Views
Hey now... imagine how Balthamel's fans feel - 21/11/2009 02:21:48 AM 1030 Views
I think Aginor was the worst. - 21/11/2009 04:10:51 AM 972 Views
Re: - 21/11/2009 10:26:53 AM 1026 Views
The thing that bothers me is that you're right - 20/11/2009 08:10:44 AM 1011 Views
Except that Demandred is the one Darksider who knows about Elayne - 21/11/2009 06:30:26 PM 1105 Views
Re: Except that Demandred is the one Darksider who knows about Elayne - 22/11/2009 10:13:44 AM 1325 Views
He was dispatched 'fairly easily' because he was betrayed by Moridin . - 22/11/2009 08:09:38 PM 952 Views
because thats what sadists are! - 20/11/2009 04:03:31 PM 1305 Views
How many people - 08/05/2010 12:30:17 AM 1020 Views
At least two. - 10/05/2010 02:10:31 PM 890 Views
Re: At least two. - 21/06/2010 01:24:53 AM 1152 Views
Shame has traditionally been one of the greatest ways of enforcing public order - 21/06/2010 02:55:54 AM 1013 Views
Re: Semirhage vs Cadsuane - in Sanderson's words... - 29/06/2010 10:29:51 PM 1219 Views
Cadsuane was brilliant in that scene. - 02/07/2010 12:41:06 AM 1068 Views

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