I think it was an excellent look at just how pathetic most of the Forsaken are and why they sold out
everynametaken Send a noteboard - 20/11/2009 04:21:36 AM
to begin with. They are power whores and were willing to sell their souls out for power. Most of them simply enjoy bullying and torturing others. with a few exceptions like Ishy and Demandred most of them are self-obsessed little children. The scene was excellent because it brought it to the forefront just why the shadow hasn't been more effective.
The second thing the scene did for us was give us a direct look into Cadsuane who has been one of the more hard to read figures in the entire series. Everyone has been wondering as to her true intentions since she first appeared. What exactly was she playing at all this time with her steely composure and her veins of ice?
We know now. She does have Rand's best intentions at heart as well as those of the Tower of course. Her internal dialogue in Bandar Eban while she watches Rand from a distance shows us that she is worried about him but she also respects him and what he has been able to accomplish without the Tower's guidance.
We also learn more specifically through the spanking incident that the same thing would break her. In other words she is composed by pure discipline and her perception of how others perceive her is of the utmost importance to her. It not because she has been hatching some secret plan behind that icy stare and demand for civility/respect all this time.
We learned more about the real Cadsuane and her motives in this book than the rest of the series put together. And that scene was vital to putting that picture together.
The second thing the scene did for us was give us a direct look into Cadsuane who has been one of the more hard to read figures in the entire series. Everyone has been wondering as to her true intentions since she first appeared. What exactly was she playing at all this time with her steely composure and her veins of ice?
We know now. She does have Rand's best intentions at heart as well as those of the Tower of course. Her internal dialogue in Bandar Eban while she watches Rand from a distance shows us that she is worried about him but she also respects him and what he has been able to accomplish without the Tower's guidance.
We also learn more specifically through the spanking incident that the same thing would break her. In other words she is composed by pure discipline and her perception of how others perceive her is of the utmost importance to her. It not because she has been hatching some secret plan behind that icy stare and demand for civility/respect all this time.
We learned more about the real Cadsuane and her motives in this book than the rest of the series put together. And that scene was vital to putting that picture together.
But wine was the great assassin of both tradition and propriety...
-Brandon Sanderson, The Way of Kings
-Brandon Sanderson, The Way of Kings
Semirhage vs Cadsuane - in Sanderson's words...
19/11/2009 09:58:19 PM
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The two of you are pathetic
19/11/2009 10:09:34 PM
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Your problem is...
19/11/2009 10:21:40 PM
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No.
20/11/2009 08:15:32 AM
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And now he's not "blind" anymore
20/11/2009 08:20:56 AM
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You know, I agree
19/11/2009 11:12:49 PM
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But she gave us a clue as to how she might be broken.
20/11/2009 08:17:04 AM
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I would love to see tSR and tFoH from Moiraine's perspective
20/11/2009 08:22:55 AM
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I imagine it took A LOT of frustration and anger management. *NM*
20/11/2009 08:27:13 AM
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I agree with Cannoli completely. (Did I just say that?)
19/11/2009 11:18:09 PM
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And I agree with Rand al'Thor.
19/11/2009 11:35:55 PM
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I didn't like it for the same reason I don't like the Aes Sedai much anymore
20/11/2009 07:40:31 AM
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WoT isn't pure fantasy - it's humans within a fantasy world
20/11/2009 08:20:23 AM
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Oh, totally- but humans can act in more than one way. "Real" humans can be terrifying, too!
20/11/2009 08:33:53 AM
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I'm pretty sure that AS are meant to be a parable for the government...
21/11/2009 06:20:14 PM
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Re: I didn't like it for the same reason I don't like the Aes Sedai much anymore
08/05/2010 12:46:31 AM
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Are you feeling all right? If you are, Cannoli is right, and you're pathetic.
19/11/2009 10:18:54 PM
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See my response to Cannoli. *NM*
19/11/2009 10:25:15 PM
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That was barely a response...
20/11/2009 12:43:07 AM
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There's always more than one way for a story to "logically" progress
20/11/2009 08:07:44 AM
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Evil IS cool! This is storytelling, not a morality play.
20/11/2009 08:01:17 AM
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Re: Evil IS cool! This is storytelling, not a morality play.
20/11/2009 10:50:07 PM
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Re: Evil IS cool! This is storytelling, not a morality play.
08/05/2010 01:17:07 AM
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Oh, they're quite good at killing people.
08/05/2010 06:47:35 AM
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Re: Oh, they're quite good at killing people.
09/05/2010 06:09:38 PM
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Actually, it's why they're still alive.
09/05/2010 06:32:22 PM
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Are they? Why are Mat, Perrin and the Wondergirls still alive?
13/05/2010 12:47:57 AM
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Nobody's even tried to kill them since Ishamael died, until he gave the order again in KoD.
13/05/2010 01:13:02 AM
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It'd be harder to kill them now as they have come into their own power
21/06/2010 01:18:31 AM
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I loved that scene - it's actually dog-eared because it's one of my favorites.
19/11/2009 10:37:33 PM
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Actually... what happened to Semirhage was BEAUTIFUL.
19/11/2009 11:28:29 PM
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I agree with your second half
20/11/2009 08:27:07 AM
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I agree with Cannoli and Fionwe's on the best way to handle Semirhage
20/11/2009 04:17:41 AM
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So would you enjoy seeing Moridin pulled over Cadsuane's knee and spanked?
20/11/2009 07:48:45 AM
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You're upset about the spanking and have missed the reason for it.
20/11/2009 03:05:50 PM
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Don't avoid the question...
20/11/2009 03:27:23 PM
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20/11/2009 10:36:36 PM
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I'm not avoiding anything, just pointing out how silly this post is
20/11/2009 04:50:17 PM
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Re: I'm not avoiding anything, just pointing out how silly this post is
08/05/2010 01:07:13 AM
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Re: You're upset about the spanking and have missed the reason for it.
08/05/2010 12:58:52 AM
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Except that Demandred is the one Darksider who knows about Elayne
21/11/2009 06:30:26 PM
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Re: Except that Demandred is the one Darksider who knows about Elayne
22/11/2009 10:13:44 AM
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He was dispatched 'fairly easily' because he was betrayed by Moridin
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22/11/2009 08:09:38 PM
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I think it was an excellent look at just how pathetic most of the Forsaken are and why they sold out
20/11/2009 04:21:36 AM
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The weird thing is, (or maybe not so weird), that I feel like she suffered the same way in tGS
20/11/2009 08:36:45 AM
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Re: I think it was an excellent look at just how pathetic most of the Forsaken are and
08/05/2010 12:13:20 AM
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How many people
08/05/2010 12:30:17 AM
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At least two.
10/05/2010 02:10:31 PM
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Re: At least two.
21/06/2010 01:24:53 AM
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Shame has traditionally been one of the greatest ways of enforcing public order
21/06/2010 02:55:54 AM
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