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Cyndane has to be above Graendal. *NM* fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 18/11/2009 06:33:16 PM
Is it possible Moghedien is stronger than we imagined, but because she is pretty much a coward, the other Forsaken dismiss her?

I agree with you. I think Moghedien is still the weakest Forsaken. But we could possibly move her up a level or two and still have her at the bottom of the Forsaken, especially if Graendal and Mesaana are on the same level. It could look like this:

Lanfear / Alivia / (unnamed character option 1)
Sharina / Talaan / Someryn (unnamed character option 2)
Semirhage / Nynaeve
Graendal / Mesaana
Cyndane / possibly Moghedien
Moghedien (alternatively goes here if we want a gap between her and Cyndane)

In my list above, I assume there is another character who we haven't met yet. The unnamed person either falls on the Lanfear / Alivia level or on the Sharina / Talaan / Someryn level. Also, Moghedien could be just one level below Graendal and Mesaana. Or Moghedien could be a couple of levels below Graendal and Mesaana. How do we know how far down to put Moghedien?
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Thanks to Sanderson, we now have a DEFINITIVE female Forsaken strength list... - 18/11/2009 05:56:58 PM 2173 Views
Sounds good - 18/11/2009 06:08:15 PM 1083 Views
Re: Sounds good - 18/11/2009 06:12:53 PM 1123 Views
Re: Someryn - 18/11/2009 06:20:44 PM 1129 Views
I acknowledge that possibility... - 18/11/2009 06:24:30 PM 1008 Views
Someryn implies that Graendal is stronger. - 19/11/2009 01:51:31 PM 1103 Views
Excellent point...I'd forgotten about that... - 19/11/2009 02:00:30 PM 1017 Views
As I understand it... - 18/11/2009 06:23:26 PM 1106 Views
My view is that the new list is just a revised one, after RJ changed his mind on some things... - 18/11/2009 06:28:53 PM 1149 Views
Agreed. - 18/11/2009 06:31:22 PM 961 Views
I suppose that's possible. *NM* - 18/11/2009 06:31:42 PM 766 Views
I agree with this interpretation on the new vs. old list - 18/11/2009 07:13:02 PM 1038 Views
Re: Sounds good - 18/11/2009 07:11:17 PM 956 Views
Also, a couple more questions, if I may... - 18/11/2009 07:18:50 PM 949 Views
Re: Also, a couple more questions, if I may... - 18/11/2009 07:23:45 PM 977 Views
One problem... - 18/11/2009 06:10:06 PM 1148 Views
No... - 18/11/2009 06:14:48 PM 1050 Views
That's not a problem. - 18/11/2009 06:31:37 PM 995 Views
Why on earth would there be multiple restrictions on Cyndane's strength? - 18/11/2009 06:47:56 PM 902 Views
Sorry buddy - 18/11/2009 07:36:00 PM 1025 Views
Re: Sorry buddy - 18/11/2009 09:49:01 PM 939 Views
But Nynaeve and Mogheiden were of equal strength - 18/11/2009 06:15:52 PM 1193 Views
Nynaeve matched Moghedien when Nynaeve was not close to her full potential yet... - 18/11/2009 06:19:07 PM 1231 Views
I agree...and I have a question regarding Moghedien. - 18/11/2009 06:30:07 PM 1038 Views
Cyndane has to be above Graendal. *NM* - 18/11/2009 06:33:16 PM 579 Views
You're right. I'll post new list below. *NM* - 18/11/2009 06:39:36 PM 598 Views
Was she? Nyn was mid20s and a wilder, I thought she had reached full strength - 18/11/2009 08:00:24 PM 1073 Views
She really hasn't had that much time channelling though. - 18/11/2009 08:07:31 PM 742 Views
Wilders rarely reach their full potential if they're blocked. *NM* - 18/11/2009 08:43:30 PM 618 Views
I know the Cleansing forced her a bit. - 18/11/2009 08:44:59 PM 1027 Views
That's been said before- anyone know where it says that in the text? - 19/11/2009 05:53:50 AM 810 Views
More or less agreed. I was right about Nynaeve! - 18/11/2009 06:29:27 PM 954 Views
IMO... - 18/11/2009 06:37:19 PM 1068 Views
I don't know... - 18/11/2009 06:56:10 PM 937 Views
I still think Alivia is below Lanfear's strength level... - 18/11/2009 06:59:01 PM 1247 Views
That just doesn't make sense... - 18/11/2009 07:02:17 PM 1064 Views
I agree that Lanfear and Alivia are tied. *NM* - 18/11/2009 07:06:19 PM 606 Views
All of my instincts indeed argue that 4 of the Forsaken CANNOT be below Nynaeve, but... - 18/11/2009 07:06:25 PM 895 Views
But why doesn't it make sense? - 18/11/2009 08:47:42 PM 794 Views
I don't think... - 18/11/2009 07:08:09 PM 1128 Views
Damane never recieve special status... - 18/11/2009 08:52:32 PM 925 Views
Good point... - 18/11/2009 09:00:51 PM 958 Views
Thing is... - 18/11/2009 09:10:45 PM 1008 Views
My point was... - 18/11/2009 09:05:28 PM 996 Views
I agree *NM* - 18/11/2009 09:10:46 PM 567 Views
If Tuon had the strongest... - 18/11/2009 09:12:22 PM 909 Views
Sera must be stronger... - 18/11/2009 09:25:00 PM 905 Views
There's no reason to be certain about it... - 18/11/2009 09:28:26 PM 950 Views
Well, the Bloodknives are precisely Tuon's tools - 18/11/2009 09:32:46 PM 906 Views
There are SIX women stronger than Nynaeve, and at least five are accounted for... - 18/11/2009 09:46:28 PM 954 Views
There are six stronger women named on the list - 19/11/2009 11:40:52 AM 964 Views
I'm not ignoring Sera! - 19/11/2009 06:13:43 PM 829 Views
You misunderstand me... - 19/11/2009 06:16:31 PM 917 Views
I doesn't make "sense". Let's leave it... - 19/11/2009 06:19:52 PM 907 Views
But Alivia (while strong in the OP) is an old fraile lady on her deathbed. *NM* - 18/11/2009 09:41:33 PM 601 Views
Pardon? Don't understand this really. *NM* - 19/11/2009 11:45:21 AM 444 Views
You keep saying Alivia was "a common damane" - 28/11/2009 08:58:42 PM 794 Views
You were right about Nynaeve, I was right about Graendal! Well done! - 18/11/2009 06:37:42 PM 1047 Views
Yes. This is one WoT debate coming to a close... - 18/11/2009 06:54:06 PM 818 Views
I have one problem with your list. - 18/11/2009 06:36:02 PM 1012 Views
RJ said the Forsaken ALWAYS overrate themselves... - 18/11/2009 06:54:45 PM 868 Views
Mesaana is cold and calculating. - 18/11/2009 07:03:49 PM 920 Views
I'm sorry, but I find it mindblowing that you find this mindblowing. - 18/11/2009 06:36:37 PM 957 Views
Some of us have been debating this for 5 years on Wotmania... - 18/11/2009 06:57:08 PM 1012 Views
I think it goes like this: - 18/11/2009 06:53:07 PM 951 Views
There is a side effect to all of this rearrangement...we may have to rethink the wonder girls. - 18/11/2009 07:04:17 PM 1015 Views
We'll have to re-read the sections where Moghedien is captured. - 18/11/2009 07:08:07 PM 917 Views
Damn. That's a thought I definitely DON'T relish. Thankfully... - 18/11/2009 07:09:18 PM 946 Views
Where does she say this? - 18/11/2009 08:54:39 PM 954 Views
No, she explicitly refers to herself vs Moghedien... - 18/11/2009 09:01:53 PM 952 Views
Here are the quotes... - 18/11/2009 09:24:24 PM 969 Views
Oh come on. You're totally twisting that passage to suit your argument... - 18/11/2009 09:54:56 PM 858 Views
I could say the same... - 18/11/2009 10:50:44 PM 880 Views
So let me get this straight... - 19/11/2009 06:44:03 AM 896 Views
No... - 19/11/2009 07:37:29 AM 950 Views
Look at it this way... - 19/11/2009 10:23:06 AM 923 Views
Dude, there were other quotes... - 19/11/2009 06:15:32 PM 831 Views
What about Sammael? The debate about Sammael and Rahvin has been decided now too. - 18/11/2009 08:03:35 PM 991 Views
Totally disagree... - 18/11/2009 08:08:34 PM 1038 Views
Re: Totally disagree... - 18/11/2009 08:22:07 PM 926 Views
Males likely go like this... - 18/11/2009 08:27:27 PM 885 Views
Dude, Rand is scared of Graendal... - 18/11/2009 09:05:28 PM 893 Views
Disagree... - 18/11/2009 09:09:45 PM 1005 Views
Disagree back... for the last time though... - 18/11/2009 09:39:25 PM 851 Views
About the top 6... - 18/11/2009 10:08:37 PM 934 Views
And One Power Battles turn political on a regualr basis, do they? - 18/11/2009 10:54:35 PM 979 Views
That's ridiculous... - 19/11/2009 07:19:08 AM 870 Views
Re: That's ridiculous... - 19/11/2009 08:08:14 AM 907 Views
Well... - 19/11/2009 10:29:45 AM 908 Views
This is getting idiotic... - 19/11/2009 06:19:08 PM 907 Views
Re: Dude, Rand is scared of Graendal... - 10/12/2010 07:31:18 PM 909 Views
If Rahvin were stronger... - 18/11/2009 08:59:32 PM 884 Views
Disagreement - 19/11/2009 01:39:49 AM 1008 Views
Some more from Brandon... - 19/11/2009 04:29:41 AM 907 Views
So we're back where we started? - 19/11/2009 04:56:36 AM 710 Views
Re: So we're back where we started? - 19/11/2009 05:18:15 AM 999 Views
Someone must ask him: Is Cyndane one of the 6 above Nynaeve. - 19/11/2009 05:35:10 AM 868 Views
My opinion: down this path lies insanity. - 19/11/2009 02:53:59 PM 946 Views
Thoughts - 19/11/2009 04:55:09 AM 1008 Views

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