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Agreed. fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 18/11/2009 06:31:22 PM
The "new list" is an updated female strength list after new female channelers were introduced in the series, Lanfear weakened and maybe Nynaeve became stronger due to the Cleansing.

Therefore I definitely wouldn't include Lanfear on the "new list". She probably only appears as Cyndane on the new list and thus isn't among the six strongest.

I think it makes some sense that at least one of Tuon's personal damane, namely Sera, Lydia, Dali, Dani or Charral (see WH, ch. 14), is among the six strongest female channelers. After all Tuon states, "the six she had brought with her were her best". Most likely it's at least Sera, who is called by Tuon "the strongest, and proud as a sul'dam".


I think the new list includes ALL channelers, only it is updated with new additions and maybe revisions to some of RJ's original ideas.

In effect, it would replace the old one, which was more like a first draft, in my view.

So I think Lanfear would still be at the top. Think about it, if the new one was only updated with new characters and new developments, how come Nynaeve was at the top of the old one? Lanfear has existed from the start, and would have topped the old one as well.

My view is that the old one excluded all Forsaken, and was probably pretty vague, with Nynaeve at the top, Egwene next, and Moiraine a level lower. Which ties in with RJ's old quote where he said that Moraine was at one strength level, and a step up brought you to Egwene and Elayne, and another step up brought you to Nynaeve.

The new list, I think, includes everyone, and replaces the old, rough draft.
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Thanks to Sanderson, we now have a DEFINITIVE female Forsaken strength list... - 18/11/2009 05:56:58 PM 2182 Views
Sounds good - 18/11/2009 06:08:15 PM 1095 Views
Re: Sounds good - 18/11/2009 06:12:53 PM 1133 Views
Re: Someryn - 18/11/2009 06:20:44 PM 1140 Views
I acknowledge that possibility... - 18/11/2009 06:24:30 PM 1021 Views
Someryn implies that Graendal is stronger. - 19/11/2009 01:51:31 PM 1118 Views
Excellent point...I'd forgotten about that... - 19/11/2009 02:00:30 PM 1031 Views
As I understand it... - 18/11/2009 06:23:26 PM 1117 Views
My view is that the new list is just a revised one, after RJ changed his mind on some things... - 18/11/2009 06:28:53 PM 1166 Views
Agreed. - 18/11/2009 06:31:22 PM 973 Views
I suppose that's possible. *NM* - 18/11/2009 06:31:42 PM 777 Views
I agree with this interpretation on the new vs. old list - 18/11/2009 07:13:02 PM 1052 Views
Re: Sounds good - 18/11/2009 07:11:17 PM 969 Views
Also, a couple more questions, if I may... - 18/11/2009 07:18:50 PM 967 Views
Re: Also, a couple more questions, if I may... - 18/11/2009 07:23:45 PM 993 Views
One problem... - 18/11/2009 06:10:06 PM 1163 Views
No... - 18/11/2009 06:14:48 PM 1064 Views
That's not a problem. - 18/11/2009 06:31:37 PM 1013 Views
Why on earth would there be multiple restrictions on Cyndane's strength? - 18/11/2009 06:47:56 PM 914 Views
Sorry buddy - 18/11/2009 07:36:00 PM 1042 Views
Re: Sorry buddy - 18/11/2009 09:49:01 PM 960 Views
But Nynaeve and Mogheiden were of equal strength - 18/11/2009 06:15:52 PM 1207 Views
Nynaeve matched Moghedien when Nynaeve was not close to her full potential yet... - 18/11/2009 06:19:07 PM 1239 Views
I agree...and I have a question regarding Moghedien. - 18/11/2009 06:30:07 PM 1051 Views
Cyndane has to be above Graendal. *NM* - 18/11/2009 06:33:16 PM 586 Views
You're right. I'll post new list below. *NM* - 18/11/2009 06:39:36 PM 607 Views
Was she? Nyn was mid20s and a wilder, I thought she had reached full strength - 18/11/2009 08:00:24 PM 1088 Views
She really hasn't had that much time channelling though. - 18/11/2009 08:07:31 PM 758 Views
Wilders rarely reach their full potential if they're blocked. *NM* - 18/11/2009 08:43:30 PM 625 Views
I know the Cleansing forced her a bit. - 18/11/2009 08:44:59 PM 1043 Views
That's been said before- anyone know where it says that in the text? - 19/11/2009 05:53:50 AM 825 Views
More or less agreed. I was right about Nynaeve! - 18/11/2009 06:29:27 PM 970 Views
IMO... - 18/11/2009 06:37:19 PM 1083 Views
I don't know... - 18/11/2009 06:56:10 PM 950 Views
I still think Alivia is below Lanfear's strength level... - 18/11/2009 06:59:01 PM 1261 Views
That just doesn't make sense... - 18/11/2009 07:02:17 PM 1077 Views
I agree that Lanfear and Alivia are tied. *NM* - 18/11/2009 07:06:19 PM 611 Views
All of my instincts indeed argue that 4 of the Forsaken CANNOT be below Nynaeve, but... - 18/11/2009 07:06:25 PM 913 Views
But why doesn't it make sense? - 18/11/2009 08:47:42 PM 811 Views
I don't think... - 18/11/2009 07:08:09 PM 1144 Views
Damane never recieve special status... - 18/11/2009 08:52:32 PM 948 Views
Good point... - 18/11/2009 09:00:51 PM 975 Views
Thing is... - 18/11/2009 09:10:45 PM 1027 Views
My point was... - 18/11/2009 09:05:28 PM 1018 Views
I agree *NM* - 18/11/2009 09:10:46 PM 577 Views
If Tuon had the strongest... - 18/11/2009 09:12:22 PM 925 Views
Sera must be stronger... - 18/11/2009 09:25:00 PM 922 Views
There's no reason to be certain about it... - 18/11/2009 09:28:26 PM 974 Views
Well, the Bloodknives are precisely Tuon's tools - 18/11/2009 09:32:46 PM 924 Views
There are SIX women stronger than Nynaeve, and at least five are accounted for... - 18/11/2009 09:46:28 PM 977 Views
There are six stronger women named on the list - 19/11/2009 11:40:52 AM 982 Views
I'm not ignoring Sera! - 19/11/2009 06:13:43 PM 846 Views
You misunderstand me... - 19/11/2009 06:16:31 PM 931 Views
I doesn't make "sense". Let's leave it... - 19/11/2009 06:19:52 PM 922 Views
But Alivia (while strong in the OP) is an old fraile lady on her deathbed. *NM* - 18/11/2009 09:41:33 PM 610 Views
Pardon? Don't understand this really. *NM* - 19/11/2009 11:45:21 AM 449 Views
You keep saying Alivia was "a common damane" - 28/11/2009 08:58:42 PM 807 Views
You were right about Nynaeve, I was right about Graendal! Well done! - 18/11/2009 06:37:42 PM 1065 Views
Yes. This is one WoT debate coming to a close... - 18/11/2009 06:54:06 PM 829 Views
I have one problem with your list. - 18/11/2009 06:36:02 PM 1026 Views
RJ said the Forsaken ALWAYS overrate themselves... - 18/11/2009 06:54:45 PM 886 Views
Mesaana is cold and calculating. - 18/11/2009 07:03:49 PM 929 Views
I'm sorry, but I find it mindblowing that you find this mindblowing. - 18/11/2009 06:36:37 PM 971 Views
Some of us have been debating this for 5 years on Wotmania... - 18/11/2009 06:57:08 PM 1032 Views
I think it goes like this: - 18/11/2009 06:53:07 PM 965 Views
There is a side effect to all of this rearrangement...we may have to rethink the wonder girls. - 18/11/2009 07:04:17 PM 1029 Views
We'll have to re-read the sections where Moghedien is captured. - 18/11/2009 07:08:07 PM 931 Views
Damn. That's a thought I definitely DON'T relish. Thankfully... - 18/11/2009 07:09:18 PM 956 Views
Where does she say this? - 18/11/2009 08:54:39 PM 976 Views
No, she explicitly refers to herself vs Moghedien... - 18/11/2009 09:01:53 PM 968 Views
Here are the quotes... - 18/11/2009 09:24:24 PM 990 Views
Oh come on. You're totally twisting that passage to suit your argument... - 18/11/2009 09:54:56 PM 881 Views
I could say the same... - 18/11/2009 10:50:44 PM 899 Views
So let me get this straight... - 19/11/2009 06:44:03 AM 912 Views
No... - 19/11/2009 07:37:29 AM 969 Views
Look at it this way... - 19/11/2009 10:23:06 AM 943 Views
Dude, there were other quotes... - 19/11/2009 06:15:32 PM 845 Views
What about Sammael? The debate about Sammael and Rahvin has been decided now too. - 18/11/2009 08:03:35 PM 1011 Views
Totally disagree... - 18/11/2009 08:08:34 PM 1057 Views
Re: Totally disagree... - 18/11/2009 08:22:07 PM 943 Views
Males likely go like this... - 18/11/2009 08:27:27 PM 911 Views
Dude, Rand is scared of Graendal... - 18/11/2009 09:05:28 PM 912 Views
Disagree... - 18/11/2009 09:09:45 PM 1020 Views
Disagree back... for the last time though... - 18/11/2009 09:39:25 PM 869 Views
About the top 6... - 18/11/2009 10:08:37 PM 954 Views
And One Power Battles turn political on a regualr basis, do they? - 18/11/2009 10:54:35 PM 999 Views
That's ridiculous... - 19/11/2009 07:19:08 AM 891 Views
Re: That's ridiculous... - 19/11/2009 08:08:14 AM 929 Views
Well... - 19/11/2009 10:29:45 AM 928 Views
This is getting idiotic... - 19/11/2009 06:19:08 PM 925 Views
Re: Dude, Rand is scared of Graendal... - 10/12/2010 07:31:18 PM 923 Views
If Rahvin were stronger... - 18/11/2009 08:59:32 PM 904 Views
Disagreement - 19/11/2009 01:39:49 AM 1025 Views
Some more from Brandon... - 19/11/2009 04:29:41 AM 927 Views
So we're back where we started? - 19/11/2009 04:56:36 AM 733 Views
Re: So we're back where we started? - 19/11/2009 05:18:15 AM 1021 Views
Someone must ask him: Is Cyndane one of the 6 above Nynaeve. - 19/11/2009 05:35:10 AM 883 Views
My opinion: down this path lies insanity. - 19/11/2009 02:53:59 PM 964 Views
Thoughts - 19/11/2009 04:55:09 AM 1028 Views

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