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Nynaeve matched Moghedien when Nynaeve was not close to her full potential yet... Shannow Send a noteboard - 18/11/2009 06:19:07 PM
So, I think it's probably more like

Lanfear
Semirhage
Moghedien
Cyndane
Graendal
Mesaana


Which is kind of odd- we all sort of assume that Moggy is weak. But she was of equal strength with Nynaeve in the Tanchino fight.

Still, good detective work.


Moghedien IS the weakest. Nynaeve was FAR below her full strength when she matched Moghedien. In fact, if Semirhage is more or less equal to Nynaeve's full strength, it actually means that there is a massive gap between Semirhage and Moghedien. Not to mention between Moghedien and Lanfear.

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Thanks to Sanderson, we now have a DEFINITIVE female Forsaken strength list... Shannow - 18/11/2009 05:56:58 PM 2274 Views
Sounds good Etzel - 18/11/2009 06:08:15 PM 1149 Views
Re: Sounds good Shannow - 18/11/2009 06:12:53 PM 1224 Views
Re: Someryn Logain - 18/11/2009 06:20:44 PM 1193 Views
I acknowledge that possibility... Shannow - 18/11/2009 06:24:30 PM 1097 Views
Someryn implies that Graendal is stronger. Rurouni_Kenshin - 19/11/2009 01:51:31 PM 1200 Views
Excellent point...I'd forgotten about that... Shannow - 19/11/2009 02:00:30 PM 1112 Views
As I understand it... Etzel - 18/11/2009 06:23:26 PM 1200 Views
My view is that the new list is just a revised one, after RJ changed his mind on some things... Shannow - 18/11/2009 06:28:53 PM 1248 Views
Agreed. fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 06:31:22 PM 1058 Views
I suppose that's possible. *NM* Etzel - 18/11/2009 06:31:42 PM 856 Views
I agree with this interpretation on the new vs. old list kcf - 18/11/2009 07:13:02 PM 1139 Views
Re: Sounds good kcf - 18/11/2009 07:11:17 PM 1042 Views
Did it sound like Sanderson knew the names of all 6 women above Nynaeve? Shannow - 18/11/2009 07:12:57 PM 1150 Views
Re: Did it sound like Sanderson knew the names of all 6 women above Nynaeve? kcf - 18/11/2009 07:15:22 PM 1268 Views
Also, a couple more questions, if I may... Shannow - 18/11/2009 07:18:50 PM 1046 Views
Re: Also, a couple more questions, if I may... kcf - 18/11/2009 07:23:45 PM 1067 Views
But you said that you asked him whether Cyndane was one of the 6, and he said no. Shannow - 18/11/2009 07:26:17 PM 1130 Views
Re: But you said that you asked him whether Cyndane was one of the 6, and he said no. kcf - 18/11/2009 07:31:35 PM 1077 Views
That blows a heck of a lot of this theory out of the water... Shannow - 18/11/2009 07:33:39 PM 1101 Views
it's possible, but I'd say unlikely kcf - 18/11/2009 07:34:32 PM 1129 Views
One problem... Rand al'Thor - 18/11/2009 06:10:06 PM 1241 Views
No... Shannow - 18/11/2009 06:14:48 PM 1146 Views
That's not a problem. Rand al'Thor - 18/11/2009 06:31:37 PM 1098 Views
Why on earth would there be multiple restrictions on Cyndane's strength? Shannow - 18/11/2009 06:47:56 PM 998 Views
Sorry buddy Rand al'Thor - 18/11/2009 07:36:00 PM 1119 Views
Re: Sorry buddy rhiane - 18/11/2009 09:49:01 PM 1041 Views
Are you able to give any more detail on Sanderson's answer to your Cyndane question? Shannow - 18/11/2009 10:02:17 PM 1113 Views
But Nynaeve and Mogheiden were of equal strength beetnemesis - 18/11/2009 06:15:52 PM 1282 Views
Nynaeve matched Moghedien when Nynaeve was not close to her full potential yet... Shannow - 18/11/2009 06:19:07 PM 1348 Views
I agree...and I have a question regarding Moghedien. Logain - 18/11/2009 06:30:07 PM 1140 Views
Cyndane has to be above Graendal. *NM* fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 06:33:16 PM 618 Views
You're right. I'll post new list below. *NM* Logain - 18/11/2009 06:39:36 PM 635 Views
Was she? Nyn was mid20s and a wilder, I thought she had reached full strength beetnemesis - 18/11/2009 08:00:24 PM 1186 Views
As late as CoS, Nynaeve states that she is not close to her full potential yet. *NM* Shannow - 18/11/2009 08:04:47 PM 635 Views
She really hasn't had that much time channelling though. Wotmaniac Reborn - 18/11/2009 08:07:31 PM 840 Views
Wilders rarely reach their full potential if they're blocked. *NM* fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 08:43:30 PM 660 Views
I know the Cleansing forced her a bit. Gher - 18/11/2009 08:44:59 PM 1128 Views
That's been said before- anyone know where it says that in the text? beetnemesis - 19/11/2009 05:53:50 AM 905 Views
Re: Nynaeve matched Moghedien when Nynaeve was not close to her full potential yet... The_Archer - 10/12/2010 08:07:05 PM 1099 Views
Re: Thanks to Sanderson, we now have a DEFINITIVE female Forsaken strength list... Tedtheman - 18/11/2009 06:22:50 PM 998 Views
More or less agreed. I was right about Nynaeve! fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 06:29:27 PM 1049 Views
IMO... Etzel - 18/11/2009 06:37:19 PM 1168 Views
I don't know... fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 06:56:10 PM 1038 Views
I still think Alivia is below Lanfear's strength level... Shannow - 18/11/2009 06:59:01 PM 1346 Views
That just doesn't make sense... fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 07:02:17 PM 1163 Views
I agree that Lanfear and Alivia are tied. *NM* Logain - 18/11/2009 07:06:19 PM 641 Views
All of my instincts indeed argue that 4 of the Forsaken CANNOT be below Nynaeve, but... Shannow - 18/11/2009 07:06:25 PM 999 Views
But why doesn't it make sense? fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 08:47:42 PM 888 Views
Talaan, Alivia and Sharina reduced my estimation of Nynaeve dramatically... Shannow - 18/11/2009 08:54:29 PM 1065 Views
All this can be explained by the fact that Nynaeve was yet to reach her potential. fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 09:25:41 PM 1072 Views
I don't think... Etzel - 18/11/2009 07:08:09 PM 1220 Views
Damane never recieve special status... fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 08:52:32 PM 1031 Views
Good point... Shannow - 18/11/2009 09:00:51 PM 1054 Views
Thing is... fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 09:10:45 PM 1102 Views
Lanfear cannot even defeat Rand. Nynaeve wouldn't last a minute against him. Shannow - 18/11/2009 09:13:06 PM 1053 Views
And Rand couldn't defeat Lanfear. What's your point? fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 09:26:06 PM 888 Views
He could. RJ stated it in a Q&A. Rand just couldn't bring himself to do it... Shannow - 18/11/2009 09:45:18 PM 875 Views
But so could Lanfear, and both had angreal, confusing the situation considerably. fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 09:47:25 PM 934 Views
My point was... Etzel - 18/11/2009 09:05:28 PM 1092 Views
I agree *NM* Shannow - 18/11/2009 09:10:46 PM 607 Views
If Tuon had the strongest... fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 09:12:22 PM 1010 Views
Sera must be stronger... Etzel - 18/11/2009 09:25:00 PM 1008 Views
There's no reason to be certain about it... fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 09:28:26 PM 1053 Views
Well, the Bloodknives are precisely Tuon's tools Etzel - 18/11/2009 09:32:46 PM 1010 Views
There are SIX women stronger than Nynaeve, and at least five are accounted for... fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 09:46:28 PM 1062 Views
There are six stronger women named on the list Etzel - 19/11/2009 11:40:52 AM 1063 Views
I'm not ignoring Sera! fionwe1987 - 19/11/2009 06:13:43 PM 926 Views
You misunderstand me... Etzel - 19/11/2009 06:16:31 PM 1004 Views
I doesn't make "sense". Let's leave it... fionwe1987 - 19/11/2009 06:19:52 PM 1002 Views
There are SIX women stronger than Nynaeve, and at least five are accounted for... fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 09:46:29 PM 1172 Views
But Alivia (while strong in the OP) is an old fraile lady on her deathbed. *NM* Logain - 18/11/2009 09:41:33 PM 642 Views
Pardon? Don't understand this really. *NM* Etzel - 19/11/2009 11:45:21 AM 479 Views
You keep saying Alivia was "a common damane" darius_sedai - 28/11/2009 08:58:42 PM 857 Views
You were right about Nynaeve, I was right about Graendal! Well done! Shannow - 18/11/2009 06:37:42 PM 1140 Views
Yes. This is one WoT debate coming to a close... fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 06:54:06 PM 909 Views
I have one problem with your list. Kaldric - 18/11/2009 06:36:02 PM 1103 Views
RJ said the Forsaken ALWAYS overrate themselves... Shannow - 18/11/2009 06:54:45 PM 963 Views
I totally agree. Mesaana is weaker than Semirhage. This was also confirmed by BS *NM* Logain - 18/11/2009 06:56:30 PM 596 Views
Mesaana is cold and calculating. Kaldric - 18/11/2009 07:03:49 PM 1013 Views
I'm sorry, but I find it mindblowing that you find this mindblowing. TaskmasterJack - 18/11/2009 06:36:37 PM 1042 Views
Some of us have been debating this for 5 years on Wotmania... Shannow - 18/11/2009 06:57:08 PM 1107 Views
I think it goes like this: Logain - 18/11/2009 06:53:07 PM 1054 Views
There is a side effect to all of this rearrangement...we may have to rethink the wonder girls. Logain - 18/11/2009 07:04:17 PM 1104 Views
We'll have to re-read the sections where Moghedien is captured. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 18/11/2009 07:08:07 PM 1015 Views
Damn. That's a thought I definitely DON'T relish. Thankfully... Shannow - 18/11/2009 07:09:18 PM 1050 Views
Helpless at her strength at the time, or helpless at Egwene's full potential? *NM* Logain - 18/11/2009 07:26:15 PM 593 Views
Egwene was forced, so she was already at her full potential when she made this comment. *NM* Shannow - 18/11/2009 07:45:08 PM 602 Views
I admit she was forced, but how does that guarantee she was at full strength? *NM* Logain - 18/11/2009 08:06:40 PM 610 Views
I'm 90% sure it is stated somewhere... *NM* Shannow - 18/11/2009 08:10:03 PM 591 Views
Egwene was at her full strength. Elayne comments on this in The Shadow Rising IIRC. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 18/11/2009 08:34:37 PM 1122 Views
She only says that Egwene is stronger and had been forced darius_sedai - 29/11/2009 01:54:56 AM 1028 Views
Where does she say this? fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 08:54:39 PM 1068 Views
No, she explicitly refers to herself vs Moghedien... Shannow - 18/11/2009 09:01:53 PM 1067 Views
Here are the quotes... fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 09:24:24 PM 1076 Views
Oh come on. You're totally twisting that passage to suit your argument... Shannow - 18/11/2009 09:54:56 PM 974 Views
I could say the same... fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 10:50:44 PM 977 Views
So let me get this straight... Shannow - 19/11/2009 06:44:03 AM 990 Views
No... fionwe1987 - 19/11/2009 07:37:29 AM 1048 Views
Look at it this way... Shannow - 19/11/2009 10:23:06 AM 1016 Views
Dude, there were other quotes... fionwe1987 - 19/11/2009 06:15:32 PM 932 Views
What about Sammael? The debate about Sammael and Rahvin has been decided now too. Logain - 18/11/2009 08:03:35 PM 1094 Views
Totally disagree... Shannow - 18/11/2009 08:08:34 PM 1132 Views
Re: Totally disagree... Logain - 18/11/2009 08:22:07 PM 1021 Views
Males likely go like this... Shannow - 18/11/2009 08:27:27 PM 995 Views
Dude, Rand is scared of Graendal... fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 09:05:28 PM 998 Views
Disagree... Shannow - 18/11/2009 09:09:45 PM 1095 Views
Disagree back... for the last time though... fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 09:39:25 PM 953 Views
About the top 6... Shannow - 18/11/2009 10:08:37 PM 1027 Views
And One Power Battles turn political on a regualr basis, do they? fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 10:54:35 PM 1083 Views
That's ridiculous... Shannow - 19/11/2009 07:19:08 AM 962 Views
Re: That's ridiculous... fionwe1987 - 19/11/2009 08:08:14 AM 1011 Views
Well... Shannow - 19/11/2009 10:29:45 AM 1011 Views
This is getting idiotic... fionwe1987 - 19/11/2009 06:19:08 PM 1008 Views
Re: Dude, Rand is scared of Graendal... The_Archer - 10/12/2010 07:31:18 PM 1009 Views
If Rahvin were stronger... fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 08:59:32 PM 975 Views
Graendal could not face down Rand. And if she thinks she can it is b/c she has an angreal. *NM* Logain - 18/11/2009 09:49:00 PM 566 Views
But Rand did not know of her angreal. *NM* fionwe1987 - 19/11/2009 12:03:21 AM 568 Views
Rand knows he can beat Graendal in a heads-up-duel. Graendal knows she would lose. *NM* Logain - 28/11/2009 10:07:27 PM 607 Views
Disagreement Corwin - 19/11/2009 01:39:49 AM 1109 Views
Some more from Brandon... kcf - 19/11/2009 04:29:41 AM 1007 Views
So we're back where we started? fionwe1987 - 19/11/2009 04:56:36 AM 814 Views
Re: So we're back where we started? kcf - 19/11/2009 05:18:15 AM 1099 Views
Someone must ask him: Is Cyndane one of the 6 above Nynaeve. Shannow - 19/11/2009 05:35:10 AM 963 Views
My opinion: down this path lies insanity. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 19/11/2009 02:53:59 PM 1039 Views
Thoughts Heiko - 19/11/2009 04:55:09 AM 1112 Views
Re: Thanks to Sanderson, we now have a DEFINITIVE female Forsaken strength list... The_Archer - 10/12/2010 07:55:51 PM 964 Views
we know from a direcet quote in TPoD that Nynaeve had not yet reached full strength darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 08:36:50 PM 1008 Views
Re: we know from a direcet quote in TPoD that Nynaeve had not yet reached full strength The_Archer - 10/12/2010 09:17:48 PM 1019 Views
winning in TAR had nothing to do with OP strength... that was pure skill and later Moghedien lost! darius_sedai - 11/12/2010 04:14:26 PM 975 Views
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