The first time we know Mesaana is in the Tower is in Lord of Chaos chapter 6. We have a Graendal POV that at a meeting Mesaana was mad Semirhage missed a meeting and in Mesaana's anger let it slip she was in the Tower.
Which meant she was there for some time. It stretches credibility that Mesaana entered the Tower, and a week or so later, let slip hr new, top secret position.
But the Black Tower itself did not exist in the beginning of LoC. That is when Rand found Taim, and led him to the farm. The Black Tower as a name was not known to the Tower till aCoS. It is in the prologue of aCoS that Elaida thinks to send an expedition to the BT. She talks of recalling Tsutama, Lirene and Toviene.
The way this has been placed and the way Elaida talks of it, I highly doubt Tsutama entered the Tower before Mesaana's slip.
And in that PoV, she makes it clear that bringing these women back was entirely her idea. If Alviarin was involved in that, wouldn't her immediately following PoV, where she thinks the BT expedition is crazy, indicate that she was frustrated that a woman she helped bring back, Toviene, is now to lead an expedition she disapproves of?
My timeline still works. Mesaana uses Alviarin and the Black Ajah to bring down Siuan, and split the tower. Elaida brings back Toveine and Tsutsama/Mesaana.
But that still doesn't answer my question. If Mesaana could manage such a big operation like deposing Siuan while not in the Tower, why did she need to enter it thereafter? And if she was there, why did she change who she was later?
You are right Mesaana could be some obscure sister. However, that doesn't prove Mesaana couldn't be Tsutsama. As a powerful Ajah Head and with the divided Tower Tsutsama could avoid or divert any conversation that might tip off another Aes Sedai there might be something wrong with Tsutsama. With suspicions running deep in the Tower a sister might believe that any inconsitency with Tsutsama's behavior might be due to the divisions of the Tower
This wasn't my argument to prove Mesaana wasn't Tsutama, merely that obscure sisters are not out of the question, as you said in your initial post.
And no amount of division in the Tower can explain factual errors. And no way would torturing Tsutama have revealed all the details. Playing Tsutama, coming in contact with all those Red Sisters and Sitters, is a majorly risky game. Character changes are acceptable, but screwing up facts? Especially with a woman like Pevara, who'd have immediately found out if there was any inconsistency in Tsutama's statement? No...
If Mesaana is one of those sisters who has few friends, no friends, and lives is some isolated corner of the Brown Ajah; she has no power base now. The Black Ajah is gone and it would be very difficult to influence events in the Tower as an obscure Brown tucked away in a corner.
But she could have hardly known it will come to this when she took on a disguise! She didn't enter the Tower expecting to fail.
I guess it is how you look at it. You are right if Tsutsama/Mesaana had sent 3 new Sitters to the Hall to vote against Egwene it could ensure Egwene's reign would be filled with trouble from the Reds. In that event at least the Red's would have had a vote.
If the Red Sitters don't vote the same result could occur. Tsutsama/Mesaana can say to the Red Ajah that Egwene's election was flawed. The Reds are the only Ajah not to get a voice in the selection of the Amrylin. I could see that building up resentment in the Red Ajah.
I also don't see Mesaana wanting to draw attention to herself at this time. With the mood of the Tower right now and the means to prove whether you are or are not a Darkfriend I would expect Mesaana to very much stay in character.
Nope. Given that her position might be shortly revealed, it makes every bit of sense for Mesaana to create as much chaos as possible before Egwene gains the stole and can ask everyone to swear on the Oath Rod.
I guess we will have to agree to disagree. One thing I love about WOT is the number of interpretations to events people can have. I have probably read hundreds of posts on Verin. Was she Black Ajah, Purple/pink Ajah, or Brown Ajah. Did she follow the Light. It turned out she was Black, Brown and followed the Light. RJ/BS will have the final say and we will find out in the next book or two.
Yeah I love that too.
Mesaana is ....
17/11/2009 12:50:49 AM
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I like it.
17/11/2009 01:22:25 AM
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Solid theory. But there are some problems...
17/11/2009 03:09:39 AM
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Re: Solid theory. But there are some problems...
17/11/2009 04:41:57 AM
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Re: Solid theory. But there are some problems...
17/11/2009 05:29:58 AM
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Re: Solid theory. But there are some problems...
17/11/2009 06:28:29 AM
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Well...
17/11/2009 06:51:01 AM
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Does anyone remember the girl who was being punished on a farm who was killed w. OP?
17/11/2009 05:25:06 AM
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Sahra Covenry
17/11/2009 05:36:04 AM
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Yes, we never really got an explanation for that.
17/11/2009 07:07:04 AM
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Mesaana? Blue? Tower basement? Are you sure you don't mix up something? *NM*
17/11/2009 10:49:20 AM
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No. she tortured a blue Aes sedai in the basements of the white Tower. *NM*
17/11/2009 07:21:44 PM
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Maybe Mesaana is playing Sahra?
17/11/2009 12:07:07 PM
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I think we had a POV from Sahra as she was killed.
18/11/2009 10:39:25 PM
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right and wrong
09/12/2009 05:02:39 AM
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Possibly - or maybe Silviana?
17/11/2009 06:12:41 AM
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I think her switching to Egeane was due to her reading the book about raising amyrlins.
17/11/2009 07:05:39 AM
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I can see more towards Evanellein...
17/11/2009 10:48:09 AM
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Evanellein is my top suspect, too, but Tsutama is a good one after her.
17/11/2009 02:26:27 PM
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I don't think so, because of:
17/11/2009 11:31:22 AM
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If I'm not mistaken, at that time Tsutama was still just a Sitter, not head of the Red Ajah
17/11/2009 02:36:52 PM
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An excellent point
17/11/2009 03:42:22 PM
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3rd Red Sitter is now Duhara, who is Black and last seen on a mission for Elaida in Caemlyn
17/12/2009 12:30:58 AM
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As others said...
17/11/2009 03:39:55 PM
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Meh - I'm not a fan of these "mysteries". I'm starting to think she's playing Mistress Laras.
18/11/2009 03:31:58 PM
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The main problem, IMHO, is that Mesaana doesn't like extravagance.
17/11/2009 08:02:49 PM
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Maria confirmed at Twitter...
18/11/2009 04:46:06 PM
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What, we have to start monitoring Twitter as well now? What's her account? *NM*
18/11/2009 09:56:36 PM
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