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Re: You're ignoring a key sentence... Sidious Send a noteboard - 16/11/2009 06:47:47 AM

Although no one has shown it so far in the books, there are ways to interfere with the making of a gateway - and ways to defend against interference - so the battle would take place on many levels.

First off, what Rand did was interfere with the closing of a Gateway. The same may prevent a gateway from opening (though Asmodean doesn't phrase it that way), but that weave doesn't interfere with the making of a Gateway, as RJ said. More importantly, RJ also made it clear we've not seen such weaves in the books, and QotW was well after tFoH.

We've seen that when a gateway is woven, there is a period of spinning before the gateway appears (unless you're of the opposite sex ). It's during this time that I believe the contest begins to stop the weaving.

Now, you could state that every front line was manned by channeler's 24x7 and they merely sliced the weaves of any forming gateway, but that doesn't make sense. We're talking of hundreds of mile long fronts here. And what about behind the front? Are you seriously claiming channelers could stand vigil over the entire territory they wanted to hold?

It's more likely there were wards to detect saidar or saidin, at which stage the channelers rushed there to intercede. Even so, there is no way to defend hundreds of mile long fronts with wardings against Travelling. You'd have to cover every area of ground. If such a ward even exists, which I don't see any proof of. Sammael covered most of Ilian with wards to detect Rand, but a Travelling warding would have been more useful if there was one.

That makes no sense, and stretches possibility. What makes sense is wards, made using sa'angreal to cover the region to be held.

Just using sa'angreal? Well then we'll never see it. There are about two left in the world, and none belong to the Shadow, and one is flawed.

RJ compared Travelling to bringing reinforcements with planes. When you want to counter that you bring in anti-aircraft guns that target the planes as soon as they sense them and thwart the effort. A warding like Travelling is like filling the sky with concrete and totally stopping everything - it's against RJ's metaphor.

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Wait until Towers of Midnight. lord-of-shadow - 13/11/2009 02:04:23 PM 1191 Views

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She made all of Rand's subsequent chapter's suspensful, IMO Deadsy - 13/11/2009 08:31:49 PM 986 Views

I was disapointed too and needless to say, shocked. *NM* Onarishma - 14/11/2009 09:31:45 AM 380 Views

I was initially... Moridin_2000 - 15/11/2009 02:03:14 AM 818 Views

Oh it made sense just so unexpected. Graendal and Semirhage. Onarishma - 15/11/2009 01:27:17 PM 778 Views

Here's what I would have done... Shannow - 15/11/2009 02:45:32 PM 821 Views

Rand is not Dumbledore guttering flame - 15/11/2009 03:10:58 PM 834 Views

Sorry, haven't read any Harry Potter books, so I have no clue what you're referring to. Shannow - 15/11/2009 03:13:32 PM 842 Views

Gateway blocking sphere? Sidious - 15/11/2009 03:28:09 PM 792 Views

We don't actually know that... Shannow - 15/11/2009 04:05:10 PM 858 Views

Re: We don't actually know that... Sidious - 15/11/2009 06:02:28 PM 854 Views

From Question of the week 14 Shannow - 15/11/2009 07:34:19 PM 810 Views

Disagree Sidious - 15/11/2009 08:14:28 PM 843 Views

What if he makes multiple gateways at the same time? Shannow - 15/11/2009 08:21:48 PM 817 Views

I agree. *NM* fionwe1987 - 15/11/2009 08:50:54 PM 343 Views

But RJ answered this Sidious - 15/11/2009 09:47:57 PM 853 Views

You're ignoring a key sentence... fionwe1987 - 15/11/2009 09:58:03 PM 862 Views

Re: You're ignoring a key sentence... Sidious - 16/11/2009 06:47:47 AM 863 Views

The issue is that it is easier to make a gateway than to block one - individually. Shannow - 15/11/2009 10:04:22 PM 902 Views

I don't think so Sidious - 16/11/2009 07:12:05 AM 1016 Views

Problem is... Shannow - 16/11/2009 07:45:41 AM 802 Views

I agree with Sidious... Moridin_2000 - 15/11/2009 04:12:04 PM 814 Views

The quote exists. I'll get it for you and post it in a couple of hours. Gotta go to church now. Shannow - 15/11/2009 04:13:35 PM 782 Views

Ok, later Moridin_2000 - 15/11/2009 04:17:07 PM 828 Views

Here's the full quote, from Question of the Week 14. Shannow - 15/11/2009 07:30:29 PM 881 Views

Here's the way he should have done it... fionwe1987 - 15/11/2009 06:19:18 PM 787 Views

I don't think I would put too much faith in that.... Light in the Night - 15/11/2009 09:32:22 PM 836 Views

Moghedien and Cyndane didn't attack Graendal, in fact... Shannow - 15/11/2009 09:36:03 PM 960 Views

That wasn't what I said.... Light in the Night - 16/11/2009 12:42:53 AM 756 Views

Re: That wasn't what I said.... Sidious - 16/11/2009 07:14:08 AM 1135 Views

I guess you could see it that way Light in the Night - 16/11/2009 08:48:23 PM 875 Views

My bad... fionwe1987 - 16/11/2009 02:22:35 AM 772 Views

She killed Asmodean, didn't she?

Moridin_2000 - 15/11/2009 01:58:40 AM 815 Views

Moridin used her Lord Haart - 15/11/2009 06:54:59 PM 803 Views

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<quote>Although no one has shown it so far in the books, there are ways to interfere with the making of a gateway - and ways to defend against interference - so the battle would take place on many levels.

First off, what Rand did was interfere with the closing of a Gateway. The same may prevent a gateway from opening (though Asmodean doesn't phrase it that way), but that weave doesn't interfere with the making of a Gateway, as RJ said. More importantly, RJ also made it clear we've not seen such weaves in the books, and QotW was well after tFoH.</quote>

<quote>Now, you could state that every front line was manned by channeler's 24x7 and they merely sliced the weaves of any forming gateway, but that doesn't make sense. We're talking of hundreds of mile long fronts here. And what about behind the front? Are you seriously claiming channelers could stand vigil over the entire territory they wanted to hold?</quote>

<quote>That makes no sense, and stretches possibility. What makes sense is wards, made using sa'angreal to cover the region to be held.</quote>

Just using sa'angreal? Well then we'll never see it. There are about two left in the world, and none belong to the Shadow, and one is flawed.

RJ compared Travelling to bringing reinforcements with planes. When you want to counter that you bring in anti-aircraft guns that target the planes as soon as they sense them and thwart the effort. A warding like Travelling is like filling the sky with concrete and totally stopping everything - it's against RJ's metaphor.
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