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Moghedien and Cyndane didn't attack Graendal, in fact... Shannow Send a noteboard - 15/11/2009 09:36:03 PM
..a few days after reading it I still had the urge to tear the page out of the book! But Rand's logic really does make sense. Graendal is smarter than him. He needs to seize any advantage he has immediately. How would you have stopped Graendal in Rand's shoes?


Rand should have disguised himself as Ramshalan, and gone into Graendal's lair with the exact same message.

He goes in holding saidin, however. Now, if things went as he expected (and they did), Graendal would attempt to compel "Ramshalan". This will immediately let Rand know he is in her presence, even if she is disguised. Since he is already holding saidin, he'll be immune to her compulsions, as Sammael said.

He then surprises her and balefires her.

End of story. Forsaken dead beyond the Dark One's grasp, and no other threads of the Pattern Balefired.


Moghedien was holding the Source when she and Cyndane visited Graendal. (In fact, she had just channeled the lights out in the room, causing Graendal to attack.) Graendal successfully snared both Moggy and Cyndane with her weave of Compulsion.

That this scene comes after Sammael's pov, I believe RJ was proving his statement wrong, and Sammael had a false sense of self-security, IMO.


They were probably under strict orders not to engage her in battle. They only created the Shadows to allow Shaidar Haran to Travel to that location.

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She made all of Rand's subsequent chapter's suspensful, IMO Deadsy - 13/11/2009 08:31:49 PM 841 Views
I was disapointed too and needless to say, shocked. *NM* Onarishma - 14/11/2009 09:31:45 AM 317 Views
I was initially... Moridin_2000 - 15/11/2009 02:03:14 AM 682 Views
Oh it made sense just so unexpected. Graendal and Semirhage. Onarishma - 15/11/2009 01:27:17 PM 628 Views
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Rand is not Dumbledore guttering flame - 15/11/2009 03:10:58 PM 677 Views
Sorry, haven't read any Harry Potter books, so I have no clue what you're referring to. Shannow - 15/11/2009 03:13:32 PM 664 Views
Gateway blocking sphere? Sidious - 15/11/2009 03:28:09 PM 673 Views
We don't actually know that... Shannow - 15/11/2009 04:05:10 PM 693 Views
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From Question of the week 14 Shannow - 15/11/2009 07:34:19 PM 650 Views
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I agree. *NM* fionwe1987 - 15/11/2009 08:50:54 PM 280 Views
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You're ignoring a key sentence... fionwe1987 - 15/11/2009 09:58:03 PM 718 Views
Re: You're ignoring a key sentence... Sidious - 16/11/2009 06:47:47 AM 674 Views
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The quote exists. I'll get it for you and post it in a couple of hours. Gotta go to church now. Shannow - 15/11/2009 04:13:35 PM 648 Views
Ok, later Moridin_2000 - 15/11/2009 04:17:07 PM 670 Views
Here's the full quote, from Question of the Week 14. Shannow - 15/11/2009 07:30:29 PM 721 Views
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Moghedien and Cyndane didn't attack Graendal, in fact... Shannow - 15/11/2009 09:36:03 PM 792 Views
That wasn't what I said.... Light in the Night - 16/11/2009 12:42:53 AM 610 Views
Re: That wasn't what I said.... Sidious - 16/11/2009 07:14:08 AM 974 Views
I guess you could see it that way Light in the Night - 16/11/2009 08:48:23 PM 728 Views
My bad... fionwe1987 - 16/11/2009 02:22:35 AM 643 Views
She killed Asmodean, didn't she? Moridin_2000 - 15/11/2009 01:58:40 AM 666 Views
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