I know- that's my point. It's a lot harder to pick things out for them
beetnemesis Send a noteboard - 14/11/2009 06:47:07 PM
Like... the prophecy Rand and Moiraine bicker about in the beginning of tSR is a good example.
It's some passage about binding the spears to him, and reminding them of a dream, and a forsaken city.
So, a few things.
1. Prophecies can reference anything. ANYTHING. That prophecy makes perfect sense in retrospect, but Moiraine's interpretation (send the Tairen armies to fight the Forsaken's city in Illian, reminding the world of the dream of salvation of the Dragon Reborn) was totally valid and reasonable.
2. As far as I can tell, the Karetheon Cycle is huge. Add to the fact that
a)There's no narrative flow- it's just isolated stanzas that jump back and forth in time,
b)Since there's no chronology, you have simultaneously consider every single prophecy at any given time to see if it applies. This is even more difficult because
c)They're all translations, from during the Breaking, which goes hand in hand with the fact that
d)Not that many people have studied the whole thing. There aren't many scholars and philosophers in the world, and for the last three thousand years all of their studies have been mostly conjecture in any case.
So, you have a giant, obscure piece of prophecy that hasn't really been studied much, and is almost impossible to apply to whatever the current situation is.
We, the readers, have a few big advantages.
a)We have a limited chronology-no prophecy is fulfilled before it's printed in a book, for us.
b)We have a narrower scope- we only have to worry about the prophecies that we read.
c)We have a near-omniscient view. We don't know everything that's going on in the world, but we know most. We know what Rand's doing, and planning, and that Mat is marrying the Daughter of the Nine Moons, and Moridin's chessboard-thing, and allthe rest. Harid Fel, as smart as he was, didn't have nearly as much to work with.
It's some passage about binding the spears to him, and reminding them of a dream, and a forsaken city.
So, a few things.
1. Prophecies can reference anything. ANYTHING. That prophecy makes perfect sense in retrospect, but Moiraine's interpretation (send the Tairen armies to fight the Forsaken's city in Illian, reminding the world of the dream of salvation of the Dragon Reborn) was totally valid and reasonable.
2. As far as I can tell, the Karetheon Cycle is huge. Add to the fact that
a)There's no narrative flow- it's just isolated stanzas that jump back and forth in time,
b)Since there's no chronology, you have simultaneously consider every single prophecy at any given time to see if it applies. This is even more difficult because
c)They're all translations, from during the Breaking, which goes hand in hand with the fact that
d)Not that many people have studied the whole thing. There aren't many scholars and philosophers in the world, and for the last three thousand years all of their studies have been mostly conjecture in any case.
So, you have a giant, obscure piece of prophecy that hasn't really been studied much, and is almost impossible to apply to whatever the current situation is.
We, the readers, have a few big advantages.
a)We have a limited chronology-no prophecy is fulfilled before it's printed in a book, for us.
b)We have a narrower scope- we only have to worry about the prophecies that we read.
c)We have a near-omniscient view. We don't know everything that's going on in the world, but we know most. We know what Rand's doing, and planning, and that Mat is marrying the Daughter of the Nine Moons, and Moridin's chessboard-thing, and allthe rest. Harid Fel, as smart as he was, didn't have nearly as much to work with.
I amuse myself.
Min's riddle
08/11/2009 02:45:09 PM
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Re: Min's riddle
08/11/2009 03:20:53 PM
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That third isn't so mysterious
08/11/2009 04:45:31 PM
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Re: That third isn't so mysterious
08/11/2009 04:47:10 PM
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It was stated explicitly that the third person is Moridin.
08/11/2009 05:19:16 PM
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Re: It was stated explicitly that the third person is Moridin.
08/11/2009 06:33:22 PM
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Wrong again. Pages 235-236 in The Gathering Storm are very clear about this.
08/11/2009 10:31:13 PM
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Re: Wrong again. Pages 235-236 in The Gathering Storm are very clear about this.
08/11/2009 11:01:53 PM
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Well, if you want to pull ideas out of your ass there's no way to debate anything.
08/11/2009 11:35:43 PM
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I think you shold know that you are a boor. Bye. *NM*
08/11/2009 11:47:54 PM
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I was more polite to you and your silly theories than you deserved.
09/11/2009 01:32:30 AM
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Nowhere does it state that Moridin is the third. Just one of EIGHT people in Rand's head.
25/11/2009 08:27:31 AM
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It's been known for... a long time, but like Tom says, it was actually stated in tGS *NM*
08/11/2009 06:04:46 PM
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Min's riddle is perhaps solved
08/11/2009 03:43:27 PM
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Hmmm. Not agreeing or disagreeing...but Min had a "Melting" viewing before
08/11/2009 08:34:36 PM
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Three things...
08/11/2009 08:40:37 PM
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Uh...Hello...Ilyena...Elayne...see any similarity?
09/11/2009 05:37:45 AM
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You have some far-out theories and seem to think I’m retarded for not thinking the same
09/11/2009 10:16:51 AM
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I didn't "seem" to think it until now. I was AGREEING with you.
09/11/2009 03:02:15 PM
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I don't see how when I disagree with about everything you said
09/11/2009 11:40:19 PM
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Well, ultimately I couldn't care less what you think. Goodbye. *NM*
10/11/2009 03:13:09 AM
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Eh, there's no evidence of that, other than an abundance of vowels in their name.
10/11/2009 06:49:58 AM
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Answer to Crackbranded Asha' man: Where has it ever been shown that Taim is gay?
09/11/2009 06:25:42 PM
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So... everyone pointing out how terrible this theory is in your original post hasn't disuaded you?
09/11/2009 04:47:25 AM
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Re: So... everyone pointing out how terrible this theory is ...
10/11/2009 12:03:02 PM
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Well, actually- yes! The LTT/Rand thing IS creepy.
10/11/2009 04:33:02 PM
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Channelling sickness, pregnancy-induced difficulty with weaving...
08/11/2009 03:53:26 PM
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Rand + Avi + Elayne = Three Channelers.
08/11/2009 05:59:34 PM
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Do you think, that channeling is cool?
08/11/2009 07:46:18 PM
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We're running out of time for the main characters to not start figuring things out.
08/11/2009 10:33:34 PM
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The riddle was simply a clue about safely using callandor. Nothing else.
09/11/2009 12:45:49 AM
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Too simple and obvious. *NM*
08/11/2009 07:56:05 PM
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Appearantly it wasn't obvious...
09/11/2009 12:51:07 AM
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Well... readers have always been better at figuring out the prophecies than characters
09/11/2009 04:56:23 AM
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But readers get the filtered bits and pieces. The characters have access to whole reams of works.
14/11/2009 03:25:50 PM
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I know- that's my point. It's a lot harder to pick things out for them
14/11/2009 06:47:07 PM
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Re: Min's riddle
08/11/2009 09:24:11 PM
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It's a possibility.
09/11/2009 04:59:33 AM
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I can see this as a definite possibility
09/11/2009 10:12:23 PM
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It'd be more like David knocking out Goliath by making him punch himself in the face
10/11/2009 06:58:16 AM
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So why...
10/11/2009 10:14:38 AM
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The Dark One is sentient; the CK is just a tool *NM*
10/11/2009 04:33:52 PM
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True, but it wouldn't be the first time in this series... *NM*
10/11/2009 09:34:19 PM
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My point was that you can't really compare it to destroying the CK- it's a totally different
11/11/2009 07:02:54 AM
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How about LTT (loud voice), Old Rand (tiny voice), and New Rand? They have already become "one" *NM*
04/12/2009 06:32:20 AM
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