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fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 13/11/2009 10:45:57 PM

They had as long as Rand did to formulate a plan to kill Graendal.

But had no hope that Rand would even listen to their plan. They also did not know Balefire was necessary.

The forsaken are not ta'veren, they are not controlled directly by the pattern. Rand is controlled directly by the pattern. If you are going to call another argument bull shit, then you really should think out your own arguments first.

Every action of a ta'veren is not controlled by the Pattern. Go ahead and prove that, why don't you?
Show me how the Pattern would actually want Rand to use the True Power, for example. Or how it let him come so close to destroying it and all of creation.

If you can not defend your argument even when dead pegeons enter the discussion then you have truly lost the argument.

Really? Go drop dead pigeons into all the other discussions then. Try saying that Rand has no free will to other posters, and mention that a dead pigeon is supposed to stop him from what he is determined to do. I'd love to see the responses you'll get.
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Who performs the worst atrocity in this book: Egwene or Rand? (A good Cannoli question) Matrimony Cauthon - 13/11/2009 06:22:50 PM 2157 Views
Given the chance, Egwene would certainly have chosen death herself had she been captured Lordling - 13/11/2009 07:04:02 PM 882 Views
That doesn't make her right, it makes her a coward *NM* Cannoli - 13/11/2009 11:53:50 PM 505 Views
Your hatred and judgment of Egwene is obsessive and at times unreasonable. Like right now. *NM* lord-of-shadow - 14/11/2009 03:56:34 AM 469 Views
In this he his reasonable...I think he is mostly wrong with the statement, but it is reasonable *NM* RabidWombat - 14/11/2009 04:08:35 AM 354 Views
Wrong and unreasonable. krassos - 14/11/2009 11:07:16 PM 887 Views
It's not herself she's sacrificing *NM* guttering flame - 15/11/2009 06:09:02 AM 465 Views
"Given the chance, Egwene would certainly have chosen death herself had she been captured" krassos - 15/11/2009 02:45:21 PM 692 Views
Re: "Given the chance, Egwene would certainly have chosen death herself had she been captured" guttering flame - 15/11/2009 03:14:27 PM 851 Views
Because most people often get acclimated to being beaten 3 or more times a day. krassos - 17/11/2009 01:02:37 AM 729 Views
When teenagers were physically punished in schools guttering flame - 18/11/2009 05:52:54 AM 792 Views
Teenagers at school didn't spend hours a day getting spanked. Repeatedly. For weeks straight. krassos - 20/11/2009 02:13:38 AM 671 Views
Egwene also killed Aes Sedai who belonged to the shadow by the dozens guttering flame - 13/11/2009 07:19:14 PM 855 Views
Re: Egwene also killed Aes Sedai who belonged to the shadow by the dozens Night Walker - 13/11/2009 07:25:14 PM 812 Views
Forcible turning is not the only method guttering flame - 13/11/2009 08:28:08 PM 886 Views
But... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 08:43:53 PM 925 Views
The point is guttering flame - 13/11/2009 11:00:58 PM 666 Views
They were tried. *NM* fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 12:23:45 AM 327 Views
Mock trials guttering flame - 14/11/2009 08:06:14 AM 768 Views
Proof? fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 09:09:14 AM 681 Views
That's the impression I got from Sheriam's 'trial' guttering flame - 14/11/2009 09:44:09 AM 761 Views
But... fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 06:55:54 PM 737 Views
And if Verin had been caught, she would have deserved death. Cannoli - 13/11/2009 11:55:13 PM 851 Views
Ordinarily, I would disagree... RabidWombat - 14/11/2009 04:20:28 AM 884 Views
Re: Ordinarily, I would disagree... Cannoli - 14/11/2009 08:04:37 AM 792 Views
Except for the fact that she never served the Dark One. She was Black Ajah in name only. krassos - 21/11/2009 04:16:48 PM 674 Views
Not true. Verin did in fact serve the DO. She admited as much darius_sedai - 12/12/2009 04:28:56 AM 701 Views
They had trials. No mention of them presenting such evidence. *NM* Cannoli - 13/11/2009 11:54:23 PM 338 Views
Forced turnings should be killed too Sidious - 15/11/2009 07:06:43 AM 717 Views
Sad but true darius_sedai - 07/12/2009 05:05:08 PM 686 Views
Based on those two actions... entyti - 13/11/2009 08:01:32 PM 871 Views
How was she going to protect the Tower and occupants then? NaClH2O - 13/11/2009 08:02:31 PM 783 Views
There is a difference between collateral damage and targeting your own people! *NM* Cannoli - 13/11/2009 11:56:10 PM 356 Views
She did not target her own people... fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 12:39:14 AM 761 Views
You seem to be contradicting yourself here guttering flame - 14/11/2009 07:52:07 AM 777 Views
Because they were indistinct specks high in the sky? *NM* fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 09:11:15 AM 339 Views
Considering the power she had in her hands guttering flame - 14/11/2009 09:52:10 AM 1071 Views
That's ridiculous... fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 07:07:11 PM 786 Views
Re: That's ridiculous... guttering flame - 14/11/2009 07:21:44 PM 752 Views
typical cannoli double speak, she wasn't targeting her own people NaClH2O - 14/11/2009 01:46:10 AM 2346 Views
Nothing wrong with that. Cannoli - 14/11/2009 08:11:15 AM 815 Views
She does have first hand experience TheCrownless - 14/11/2009 07:52:20 PM 818 Views
Dozens of dark sisters together...trapped like rats... krassos - 18/11/2009 12:29:19 AM 726 Views
Re: Who performs the worst atrocity in this book: Egwene or Rand? (A good Cannoli question) randfandom - 13/11/2009 08:16:29 PM 787 Views
Neither is an atrocity... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 08:17:08 PM 974 Views
this ^ *NM* Deadsy - 13/11/2009 08:34:10 PM 302 Views
Re: Neither is an atrocity... Knightscape - 13/11/2009 08:59:30 PM 795 Views
Bull Sh!t! fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 09:08:00 PM 847 Views
Come on now... Rand al'Thor - 13/11/2009 09:13:50 PM 741 Views
Not outraged on their behalf... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 09:26:11 PM 741 Views
Re: Not outraged on their behalf... Knightscape - 13/11/2009 09:56:01 PM 674 Views
Re: Not outraged on their behalf... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 10:08:06 PM 709 Views
Re: Not outraged on their behalf... Knightscape - 13/11/2009 10:37:04 PM 757 Views
fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 10:45:57 PM 683 Views
Re: Knightscape - 13/11/2009 11:16:58 PM 747 Views
Re: fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 12:34:49 AM 629 Views
Re: Knightscape - 14/11/2009 01:46:51 AM 729 Views
Yes your argument is very much Bull Sh!t Knightscape - 13/11/2009 09:15:17 PM 815 Views
So... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 09:27:11 PM 776 Views
Re: So... Knightscape - 13/11/2009 10:07:15 PM 667 Views
Not at all... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 10:09:43 PM 695 Views
Re: Not at all... Knightscape - 13/11/2009 10:54:14 PM 671 Views
Re: Not at all... fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 12:36:36 AM 676 Views
Break out the inflatable balloon swords and have at it already! Ryan - 14/11/2009 02:14:47 AM 706 Views
Rand. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 13/11/2009 09:17:14 PM 832 Views
Re: Rand. Dragonsworn - 13/11/2009 10:56:04 PM 842 Views
But that is not her choice to make. She has NO right to decide that for anyone. *NM* Cannoli - 13/11/2009 11:57:03 PM 350 Views
No, she had no right to make that choice Ryan - 14/11/2009 03:54:35 AM 664 Views
Yes, it was her choice to make, and she is now responsible for the consequences. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 16/11/2009 06:24:46 PM 1093 Views
Since Rand did not perform any atrocities, Egwene by default (Existing) Cannoli - 13/11/2009 11:53:22 PM 898 Views
Its the difference between lodlom - 14/11/2009 02:59:42 AM 710 Views
Cannoli mentioned already - after balefire you can live again Skeeve the Great - 20/11/2009 03:38:06 AM 652 Views
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