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fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 13/11/2009 10:45:57 PM

They had as long as Rand did to formulate a plan to kill Graendal.

But had no hope that Rand would even listen to their plan. They also did not know Balefire was necessary.

The forsaken are not ta'veren, they are not controlled directly by the pattern. Rand is controlled directly by the pattern. If you are going to call another argument bull shit, then you really should think out your own arguments first.

Every action of a ta'veren is not controlled by the Pattern. Go ahead and prove that, why don't you?
Show me how the Pattern would actually want Rand to use the True Power, for example. Or how it let him come so close to destroying it and all of creation.

If you can not defend your argument even when dead pegeons enter the discussion then you have truly lost the argument.

Really? Go drop dead pigeons into all the other discussions then. Try saying that Rand has no free will to other posters, and mention that a dead pigeon is supposed to stop him from what he is determined to do. I'd love to see the responses you'll get.
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Who performs the worst atrocity in this book: Egwene or Rand? (A good Cannoli question) Matrimony Cauthon - 13/11/2009 06:22:50 PM 2076 Views
Given the chance, Egwene would certainly have chosen death herself had she been captured Lordling - 13/11/2009 07:04:02 PM 807 Views
That doesn't make her right, it makes her a coward *NM* Cannoli - 13/11/2009 11:53:50 PM 481 Views
Your hatred and judgment of Egwene is obsessive and at times unreasonable. Like right now. *NM* lord-of-shadow - 14/11/2009 03:56:34 AM 442 Views
In this he his reasonable...I think he is mostly wrong with the statement, but it is reasonable *NM* RabidWombat - 14/11/2009 04:08:35 AM 334 Views
Wrong and unreasonable. krassos - 14/11/2009 11:07:16 PM 820 Views
It's not herself she's sacrificing *NM* guttering flame - 15/11/2009 06:09:02 AM 433 Views
"Given the chance, Egwene would certainly have chosen death herself had she been captured" krassos - 15/11/2009 02:45:21 PM 629 Views
Re: "Given the chance, Egwene would certainly have chosen death herself had she been captured" guttering flame - 15/11/2009 03:14:27 PM 790 Views
Because most people often get acclimated to being beaten 3 or more times a day. krassos - 17/11/2009 01:02:37 AM 658 Views
When teenagers were physically punished in schools guttering flame - 18/11/2009 05:52:54 AM 701 Views
Teenagers at school didn't spend hours a day getting spanked. Repeatedly. For weeks straight. krassos - 20/11/2009 02:13:38 AM 603 Views
Egwene also killed Aes Sedai who belonged to the shadow by the dozens guttering flame - 13/11/2009 07:19:14 PM 788 Views
Re: Egwene also killed Aes Sedai who belonged to the shadow by the dozens Night Walker - 13/11/2009 07:25:14 PM 731 Views
Forcible turning is not the only method guttering flame - 13/11/2009 08:28:08 PM 820 Views
But... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 08:43:53 PM 867 Views
The point is guttering flame - 13/11/2009 11:00:58 PM 593 Views
They were tried. *NM* fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 12:23:45 AM 300 Views
Mock trials guttering flame - 14/11/2009 08:06:14 AM 691 Views
Proof? fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 09:09:14 AM 616 Views
That's the impression I got from Sheriam's 'trial' guttering flame - 14/11/2009 09:44:09 AM 693 Views
But... fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 06:55:54 PM 663 Views
And if Verin had been caught, she would have deserved death. Cannoli - 13/11/2009 11:55:13 PM 775 Views
Ordinarily, I would disagree... RabidWombat - 14/11/2009 04:20:28 AM 815 Views
Re: Ordinarily, I would disagree... Cannoli - 14/11/2009 08:04:37 AM 729 Views
Except for the fact that she never served the Dark One. She was Black Ajah in name only. krassos - 21/11/2009 04:16:48 PM 600 Views
Not true. Verin did in fact serve the DO. She admited as much darius_sedai - 12/12/2009 04:28:56 AM 660 Views
They had trials. No mention of them presenting such evidence. *NM* Cannoli - 13/11/2009 11:54:23 PM 311 Views
Forced turnings should be killed too Sidious - 15/11/2009 07:06:43 AM 643 Views
Sad but true darius_sedai - 07/12/2009 05:05:08 PM 612 Views
Based on those two actions... entyti - 13/11/2009 08:01:32 PM 792 Views
How was she going to protect the Tower and occupants then? NaClH2O - 13/11/2009 08:02:31 PM 709 Views
There is a difference between collateral damage and targeting your own people! *NM* Cannoli - 13/11/2009 11:56:10 PM 332 Views
She did not target her own people... fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 12:39:14 AM 684 Views
You seem to be contradicting yourself here guttering flame - 14/11/2009 07:52:07 AM 708 Views
Because they were indistinct specks high in the sky? *NM* fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 09:11:15 AM 313 Views
Considering the power she had in her hands guttering flame - 14/11/2009 09:52:10 AM 1002 Views
That's ridiculous... fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 07:07:11 PM 707 Views
Re: That's ridiculous... guttering flame - 14/11/2009 07:21:44 PM 684 Views
typical cannoli double speak, she wasn't targeting her own people NaClH2O - 14/11/2009 01:46:10 AM 2275 Views
Nothing wrong with that. Cannoli - 14/11/2009 08:11:15 AM 738 Views
She does have first hand experience TheCrownless - 14/11/2009 07:52:20 PM 738 Views
Dozens of dark sisters together...trapped like rats... krassos - 18/11/2009 12:29:19 AM 656 Views
Re: Who performs the worst atrocity in this book: Egwene or Rand? (A good Cannoli question) randfandom - 13/11/2009 08:16:29 PM 702 Views
Neither is an atrocity... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 08:17:08 PM 936 Views
this ^ *NM* Deadsy - 13/11/2009 08:34:10 PM 276 Views
Re: Neither is an atrocity... Knightscape - 13/11/2009 08:59:30 PM 739 Views
Bull Sh!t! fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 09:08:00 PM 764 Views
Come on now... Rand al'Thor - 13/11/2009 09:13:50 PM 666 Views
Not outraged on their behalf... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 09:26:11 PM 672 Views
Re: Not outraged on their behalf... Knightscape - 13/11/2009 09:56:01 PM 598 Views
Re: Not outraged on their behalf... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 10:08:06 PM 627 Views
Re: Not outraged on their behalf... Knightscape - 13/11/2009 10:37:04 PM 690 Views
fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 10:45:57 PM 612 Views
Re: Knightscape - 13/11/2009 11:16:58 PM 668 Views
Re: fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 12:34:49 AM 564 Views
Re: Knightscape - 14/11/2009 01:46:51 AM 679 Views
Yes your argument is very much Bull Sh!t Knightscape - 13/11/2009 09:15:17 PM 742 Views
So... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 09:27:11 PM 694 Views
Re: So... Knightscape - 13/11/2009 10:07:15 PM 589 Views
Not at all... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 10:09:43 PM 621 Views
Re: Not at all... Knightscape - 13/11/2009 10:54:14 PM 597 Views
Re: Not at all... fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 12:36:36 AM 606 Views
Break out the inflatable balloon swords and have at it already! Ryan - 14/11/2009 02:14:47 AM 637 Views
Rand. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 13/11/2009 09:17:14 PM 761 Views
Re: Rand. Dragonsworn - 13/11/2009 10:56:04 PM 756 Views
But that is not her choice to make. She has NO right to decide that for anyone. *NM* Cannoli - 13/11/2009 11:57:03 PM 323 Views
No, she had no right to make that choice Ryan - 14/11/2009 03:54:35 AM 589 Views
Yes, it was her choice to make, and she is now responsible for the consequences. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 16/11/2009 06:24:46 PM 1021 Views
Since Rand did not perform any atrocities, Egwene by default (Existing) Cannoli - 13/11/2009 11:53:22 PM 833 Views
Its the difference between lodlom - 14/11/2009 02:59:42 AM 651 Views
Cannoli mentioned already - after balefire you can live again Skeeve the Great - 20/11/2009 03:38:06 AM 575 Views
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