I doubt very much that Sanderson had it in him to portray Rand this way without excessive notes from RJ. And I'm very certain RJ left tons of notes on this. There's something entirely believable about this Rand. As Nynaeve points out, it is so easy to slip into the mindset that he is only doing what is right, being entirely rational.
It was the build up to this character that allows us, at one point, to actually see reason in a man who is mad. That was the truly scary part of the story, and it has always been heading there.
The realism and darkness were always there. Don't tell me you actuall had to see the room darken around Rand to see the darkness in him! That's ludicrous.
Roose Bolton is barely a character. What are his motivations except wanting power? No clue.
Bolton feels alien, like someone you rearely encounter. Rand feels personal. The fear Rand induces would not be a tenth of what we felt if we did not know this came from the same guy who was so easy to like in EotW. That contrast is scary, and adds immense depth to his darkness.
Roose Bolton is a cardboard cut out in comparison.
Did you notice that Egwene uses the exact same thing without being dark in any way? Projection of certainty and control. Moiraine used it too.
Nonsense? It is the central thematic element of this book, and one of the biggest themes of this story!
I must ask... while it was "entertaining" in that there was uncertainty and unpredictability around his story, did you actually LOVE it when he was about to destroy a city? When he attacked his dad? Because that is... disturbing.
Well thank god the authors have more sense than to preserve a character who is cool on the outside and a useless husk on this inside.
Name one author who would do that. Martin? No way.
The Light may win the Last Battle with Dar Rand. There was never any question of that. The question always was... what would be the point of that victory?
Yeah, like Roose Bolton is going to emerge the victor of the fight in aSoIaF.
And in the real world, meanwhile, the ruthless battle commanders in Iraq are beginning to realize that needless civilian deaths, cut throat tactics, torture chambers, etc. have only prolonged the war and used up more manpower and resources. They have pushed the population into hating them, and can see no quick way to finish the war.
Aren't they trying to win the hearts and minds of the people too?
Its all a matter of efficiency. When a leader tries to lead by reason and charm, he's stepping on as few toes as possible. Meaning fewer people are going to get angry or desperate and turn against him. And while that may seem less cool, it is quicker and easier. And more believable.
There, that's my view.
It was the build up to this character that allows us, at one point, to actually see reason in a man who is mad. That was the truly scary part of the story, and it has always been heading there.
I thought Sanderson portrayed Rand brilliantly in this book.
In fact, I actually got shivers down my spine while witnessing Rand's step by step transformation into "Dark Rand." And I haven't had shivers down my spine in this series since Taim ordered the Aes Sedai to "Kneel before the Lord Dragon or you will be knelt!"
Now, I've been calling for a more realistic and darker tone to this story for years. And I must say, Sanderson has done it brilliantly.
In fact, I actually got shivers down my spine while witnessing Rand's step by step transformation into "Dark Rand." And I haven't had shivers down my spine in this series since Taim ordered the Aes Sedai to "Kneel before the Lord Dragon or you will be knelt!"
Now, I've been calling for a more realistic and darker tone to this story for years. And I must say, Sanderson has done it brilliantly.
The realism and darkness were always there. Don't tell me you actuall had to see the room darken around Rand to see the darkness in him! That's ludicrous.
After using the True Power, Rand's mannerisms reminded me of another fearsome fantasy character. His softer tone, cold stare and his habit of answering heated questions with a quiet, yet incredibly menacing question, invoked vivid images of Roose Bolton, from Martin's series.
Roose Bolton is barely a character. What are his motivations except wanting power? No clue.
Bolton feels alien, like someone you rearely encounter. Rand feels personal. The fear Rand induces would not be a tenth of what we felt if we did not know this came from the same guy who was so easy to like in EotW. That contrast is scary, and adds immense depth to his darkness.
Roose Bolton is a cardboard cut out in comparison.
When someone threw an accusation at him, Rand would simply fix his intense gaze on the person and reply softly: "Is that what you think?"
And then let the silence hang. SOOO menacing, and so intense. Leaving everyone in fear as to what his next reaction might be.
Rather than try and intimidate everyone with his strength, he now KNOWS his own strength, and does not CARE what anyone else thinks. And like Rand rightly acknowledges, this is so much more effective in getting what he wants.
And then let the silence hang. SOOO menacing, and so intense. Leaving everyone in fear as to what his next reaction might be.
Rather than try and intimidate everyone with his strength, he now KNOWS his own strength, and does not CARE what anyone else thinks. And like Rand rightly acknowledges, this is so much more effective in getting what he wants.
Did you notice that Egwene uses the exact same thing without being dark in any way? Projection of certainty and control. Moiraine used it too.
Look, I know about the need for him to laugh and cry and be strong rather than hard and all that absolute NONSENSE, but the truth is, I LIKE the hard Rand. In fact, I LOVE the hard Rand. I enjoy reading about the Dark Rand far more than I ever enjoyed reading about Rand the boy, or Rand the whiner, or Rand the "let Cadsuane lead me around by the nose."
Nonsense? It is the central thematic element of this book, and one of the biggest themes of this story!
I must ask... while it was "entertaining" in that there was uncertainty and unpredictability around his story, did you actually LOVE it when he was about to destroy a city? When he attacked his dad? Because that is... disturbing.
Damn I enjoyed this book. I just wish the hard Rand survived longer. Or in fact never went away.
Well thank god the authors have more sense than to preserve a character who is cool on the outside and a useless husk on this inside.
"Do you believe that I could will the Pattern to stop your heart, this instant, if I so desired, Cadsuane?"
Simply awesome. I believe a different author could have written the story in such a way that the HARD Rand remains, and the Light STILL wins the Last Battle.
Simply awesome. I believe a different author could have written the story in such a way that the HARD Rand remains, and the Light STILL wins the Last Battle.
Name one author who would do that. Martin? No way.
The Light may win the Last Battle with Dar Rand. There was never any question of that. The question always was... what would be the point of that victory?
The need for the soft Rand is simply a personal preference of the original author, that has to be honoured. In the real world, the harder a battle commander is, the more ruthless he is, the more effective he is. This battle for hearts and minds stuff is so New Age, and so terribly boring.
Yeah, like Roose Bolton is going to emerge the victor of the fight in aSoIaF.
And in the real world, meanwhile, the ruthless battle commanders in Iraq are beginning to realize that needless civilian deaths, cut throat tactics, torture chambers, etc. have only prolonged the war and used up more manpower and resources. They have pushed the population into hating them, and can see no quick way to finish the war.
Aren't they trying to win the hearts and minds of the people too?
Its all a matter of efficiency. When a leader tries to lead by reason and charm, he's stepping on as few toes as possible. Meaning fewer people are going to get angry or desperate and turn against him. And while that may seem less cool, it is quicker and easier. And more believable.
There, that's my view.
I have always had a problem with the idea that Rand winning the battle is meaningless if he wins it by being ruthless or "hard", for want of a better word.
Even if only 1% of the world population survives the Last Battle, that is STILL better than the alternative.
Rand and Roose Bolton...
13/11/2009 02:02:11 PM
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That is probably due to you having fought so many wars in Video Games, but not real ones.
13/11/2009 02:20:42 PM
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I loved Dark Rand. I agree, I wish he was around longer. Should've come out earlier in the series.
13/11/2009 03:23:59 PM
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You people are mad
13/11/2009 04:01:27 PM
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Reading about a saint is boring. Reading about an imperfect hero is exciting.
13/11/2009 04:38:24 PM
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That's actually kind of shallow and limited
13/11/2009 05:07:55 PM
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Nice post. And I acknowledge that you're entitled to your opinion.
13/11/2009 05:14:41 PM
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I don't read for morality either, but IMO, it makes a better story because it is tougher
14/11/2009 12:08:14 AM
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This wasn't Sanderson's portrayal!
13/11/2009 05:52:51 PM
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Good post.
13/11/2009 06:37:37 PM
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Re: Good post.
13/11/2009 06:51:49 PM
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You're right. But I'm very angry with the writers for portraying Egwene in such a positive way.
13/11/2009 07:18:10 PM
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Weren't you the one who wanted uncertainty and doubt?
13/11/2009 08:11:30 PM
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I have only one comment, and that's about your last sentence...
13/11/2009 08:43:13 PM
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Re: I have only one comment, and that's about your last sentence...
13/11/2009 09:01:24 PM
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I do have to say, though, that I would have burst out laughing if he balefired Tuon and the Seanchan
13/11/2009 10:25:30 PM
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Re: I have only one comment, and that's about your last sentence...
13/11/2009 09:44:31 PM
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You were shown as early as TDR that conquering someone doesn't mean they are going to follow you
14/11/2009 10:45:51 AM
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