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Who performs the worst atrocity in this book: Egwene or Rand? (A good Cannoli question) Matrimony Cauthon Send a noteboard - 13/11/2009 06:22:50 PM
Everyone here has noted Rand's mass atrocity. Rand most likely killed dozens of Graendal's innocent pawns of Graendal when he balefired her palace. Rand did this to get rid of a necessary evil, and the people he killed were beyond saving anyway.
IMO, the only really bad thing Rand did was by burning them out of the pattern. Those people he killed will never have a chance to live again.

Contrast Rand's mass atrocity to what Egwene did. Egwene ordered the novices and Aes Sedai to kill all the Aes Sedai sisters that were captured by the Seanchan. Since Egwene was the brunt of the attack on the Seanchan-- we can assume that Egwene killed several innocent Aes Sedai-- possibly a dozen or more. Egwene also had to kill these Aes Sedai to achieve a greater good-- to keep the Seanchan from learning traveling. While it seems that Rand suceeded in his mission, Egwene was not successful in preventing the Seanchan from learning traveling.

It can be argued, therefore, that Egwene made a needless sacrifice of several Aes Sedai.

Who was worse in this case? If you were a judge, who would you penalize most? Also consider that Rand was insane and Egwene had full sanity.




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Who performs the worst atrocity in this book: Egwene or Rand? (A good Cannoli question) - 13/11/2009 06:22:50 PM 2158 Views
Egwene also killed Aes Sedai who belonged to the shadow by the dozens - 13/11/2009 07:19:14 PM 855 Views
Re: Egwene also killed Aes Sedai who belonged to the shadow by the dozens - 13/11/2009 07:25:14 PM 812 Views
Forcible turning is not the only method - 13/11/2009 08:28:08 PM 886 Views
But... - 13/11/2009 08:43:53 PM 925 Views
The point is - 13/11/2009 11:00:58 PM 666 Views
They were tried. *NM* - 14/11/2009 12:23:45 AM 327 Views
Mock trials - 14/11/2009 08:06:14 AM 768 Views
Proof? - 14/11/2009 09:09:14 AM 681 Views
That's the impression I got from Sheriam's 'trial' - 14/11/2009 09:44:09 AM 761 Views
But... - 14/11/2009 06:55:54 PM 738 Views
And if Verin had been caught, she would have deserved death. - 13/11/2009 11:55:13 PM 851 Views
Ordinarily, I would disagree... - 14/11/2009 04:20:28 AM 884 Views
Re: Ordinarily, I would disagree... - 14/11/2009 08:04:37 AM 792 Views
They had trials. No mention of them presenting such evidence. *NM* - 13/11/2009 11:54:23 PM 339 Views
Forced turnings should be killed too - 15/11/2009 07:06:43 AM 717 Views
Sad but true - 07/12/2009 05:05:08 PM 686 Views
Based on those two actions... - 13/11/2009 08:01:32 PM 871 Views
How was she going to protect the Tower and occupants then? - 13/11/2009 08:02:31 PM 784 Views
There is a difference between collateral damage and targeting your own people! *NM* - 13/11/2009 11:56:10 PM 357 Views
She did not target her own people... - 14/11/2009 12:39:14 AM 761 Views
You seem to be contradicting yourself here - 14/11/2009 07:52:07 AM 777 Views
Because they were indistinct specks high in the sky? *NM* - 14/11/2009 09:11:15 AM 339 Views
Considering the power she had in her hands - 14/11/2009 09:52:10 AM 1071 Views
That's ridiculous... - 14/11/2009 07:07:11 PM 786 Views
Re: That's ridiculous... - 14/11/2009 07:21:44 PM 752 Views
typical cannoli double speak, she wasn't targeting her own people - 14/11/2009 01:46:10 AM 2346 Views
Nothing wrong with that. - 14/11/2009 08:11:15 AM 815 Views
She does have first hand experience - 14/11/2009 07:52:20 PM 819 Views
Dozens of dark sisters together...trapped like rats... - 18/11/2009 12:29:19 AM 726 Views
Neither is an atrocity... - 13/11/2009 08:17:08 PM 974 Views
this ^ *NM* - 13/11/2009 08:34:10 PM 302 Views
Re: Neither is an atrocity... - 13/11/2009 08:59:30 PM 795 Views
Bull Sh!t! - 13/11/2009 09:08:00 PM 847 Views
Come on now... - 13/11/2009 09:13:50 PM 742 Views
Not outraged on their behalf... - 13/11/2009 09:26:11 PM 741 Views
Re: Not outraged on their behalf... - 13/11/2009 09:56:01 PM 674 Views
Re: Not outraged on their behalf... - 13/11/2009 10:08:06 PM 709 Views
Re: Not outraged on their behalf... - 13/11/2009 10:37:04 PM 757 Views
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Yes your argument is very much Bull Sh!t - 13/11/2009 09:15:17 PM 815 Views
So... - 13/11/2009 09:27:11 PM 776 Views
Re: So... - 13/11/2009 10:07:15 PM 668 Views
Not at all... - 13/11/2009 10:09:43 PM 695 Views
Re: Not at all... - 13/11/2009 10:54:14 PM 671 Views
Re: Not at all... - 14/11/2009 12:36:36 AM 676 Views
Break out the inflatable balloon swords and have at it already! - 14/11/2009 02:14:47 AM 706 Views
Rand. - 13/11/2009 09:17:14 PM 833 Views
Re: Rand. - 13/11/2009 10:56:04 PM 842 Views
But that is not her choice to make. She has NO right to decide that for anyone. *NM* - 13/11/2009 11:57:03 PM 350 Views
No, she had no right to make that choice - 14/11/2009 03:54:35 AM 664 Views
Yes, it was her choice to make, and she is now responsible for the consequences. - 16/11/2009 06:24:46 PM 1093 Views
Its the difference between - 14/11/2009 02:59:42 AM 711 Views
Cannoli mentioned already - after balefire you can live again - 20/11/2009 03:38:06 AM 652 Views

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