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Agree to disagree? fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 13/11/2009 08:07:59 AM
While I'm not saying the one woman shield is proved correct, I'm going to hold that it is a possibility. But lets move past that.

Two women could hold Nynaeve in CoS, and there is a big gap between Egwene and Nynaeve. Egwene admits this herself. So it might well be possible that 1 woman can hold Egwene. I cannot recall where Silviana lies on the strength table. My calculations in the past indicated that a woman could hold a shield on someone as long as you were approximately 60% as strong as the captive. But to shield them in the first place, with any degree of certainty, you had to be as much as 50% STRONGER than them.

I agree with that shielding theory. Silviana has been traditionally placed as an equal to Leanne, and she is, at the very least, as strong as Katerine, who is a very strong Aes Sedai.
What I'm saying is that in my view, if you are 60% as strong as someone, you should be able to hold an existing shield on them.

I remember the number we had all agreed to be 66%. But the principle is the same.
So if Silviana is a 25 on the strenghth scale, and Egwene is a 40, that makes Silviana just over 60% as strong as Egwene, and hence she should be able to hold the shield.

Then why couldn't Amys? Amys is as strong as Elaida and Moiraine, and there's no way Silviana is stronger. And Egwene is likely even stronger now than she was when Amys tried to hold her.
This was an issue I raised even when KoD was released, and I believe that the only explanation is that when the Shield was woven, Katerine and Barasine were linked.
Regarding an angreal. That changes the picture completely. 1 Woman with a powerful enough angreal could hold Rand himself.

Yup. Maybe Cadsuane gave her angreal to one of the sisters, but still wanted extra guards.
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No you did not... fionwe1987 - 12/11/2009 07:27:06 AM 703 Views
I'll look again tonight, but I'm sure Nynaeve made a comment... Shannow - 12/11/2009 07:33:29 AM 709 Views
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We DON'T know that Graendal is stronger than Semirhage and Mesaana... Shannow - 12/11/2009 12:48:32 PM 763 Views
Wasn't that rather meaningless? fionwe1987 - 12/11/2009 03:26:22 PM 714 Views
Inconsistency? Lord o' Salv - 12/11/2009 08:53:39 AM 636 Views
Holding a shield vs. making one... fionwe1987 - 12/11/2009 03:19:09 PM 601 Views
Don't they clearly say one single would suffice but they used 2 for Lord o' Salv - 13/11/2009 04:57:15 AM 537 Views
To HOLD her. Didn't I make the distinction clear? fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 05:04:58 AM 518 Views
Reducing the number of people holding the shield, reduces the strength of the shield correspondingly Shannow - 13/11/2009 07:15:24 AM 506 Views
Not necessarily true (Plus, another possibility)... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 07:43:37 AM 501 Views
I agree about the angreal, but not the 1 woman shield part... Shannow - 13/11/2009 07:50:26 AM 530 Views
Agree to disagree? fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 08:07:59 AM 504 Views
Sure, just a couple of points... Shannow - 13/11/2009 08:18:15 AM 590 Views
Re: Sure, just a couple of points... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 08:51:28 AM 572 Views
Interesting concept... Shannow - 13/11/2009 08:59:53 AM 603 Views
The answer lies in a fundamental difference between spinning and maintaining a weave... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 09:33:00 AM 600 Views
Yeah, I posted on this Sidious - 12/11/2009 08:53:26 PM 562 Views
Hmmm.... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 12:42:37 AM 609 Views
Mesaana thought she matched Semirhage catkin - 13/11/2009 01:45:09 AM 743 Views
Agree with many points Lord o' Salv - 13/11/2009 05:07:53 AM 590 Views
Re: Agree with many points fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 05:16:12 AM 505 Views
And that means nothing... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 05:08:44 AM 608 Views
Re: Hmmm.... Sidious - 13/11/2009 06:56:56 AM 539 Views
I think Sanderson just doesn't have the interest and knowledge of relative strength that RJ did.. Shannow - 13/11/2009 07:07:45 AM 532 Views
Re: Hmmm.... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 07:59:57 AM 596 Views
The reason behind our (certainly MY) hesitance to place Nynaeve too high, is Alivia... Shannow - 13/11/2009 08:04:51 AM 618 Views
There is a simple answer... skill... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 08:21:25 AM 614 Views
Except that... Shannow - 13/11/2009 08:49:15 AM 607 Views
We only assume that... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 09:08:56 AM 628 Views
Well... Shannow - 13/11/2009 09:25:08 AM 597 Views
fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 09:53:39 AM 510 Views
What about Sharina? Sidious - 13/11/2009 09:17:20 AM 517 Views
No evidence either way, but you leave a massive gap between Lanfear and the average Forsaken... Shannow - 13/11/2009 09:31:27 AM 622 Views
I don't think it's massive Sidious - 13/11/2009 09:46:27 AM 588 Views
I disagree with your last comment Shannow - 13/11/2009 09:58:03 AM 622 Views
Hmm... Sidious - 13/11/2009 03:57:48 PM 618 Views
Re: Hmm... Watcher - 13/11/2009 07:54:23 PM 603 Views
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