On the basis that we dont agree on the use of sa'angreals on a group.
TheCrownless Send a noteboard - 12/11/2009 03:02:29 PM
An angreal magnifies the Power of the individual holding it, not that of the entire circle. If that individual is part of a circle, he/she will merely add a greater amount of Power to the circle, thanks to the angreal.
You sure on that? Like I said, I haven't done a re-read in a while but if you could provide quotes from the books/RJ I'd be willing to accept it.
Also, in the Asmodean/Rand case, they were equally balanced because at the time, they were equal in strength. Rand was not yet at his full power, and he was not in good physical shape. The net result was that he and Asmodean were perfectly matched when they shared access to the Choedan Kal.
Rand was still stronger than Asmodean at that point, they were both in bad physical condition after the chase, so I dont think that argument holds much water.
For me angreals only make sense if a major part of it's calculation is channelers power + "X", wether there is another part of the equation (eg. channelers power x 5 + "X"
or not is up for debate, but a straight out multiplier wouldn't work. On what basis do you say that Rand was DEFINITELY stronger than Asmodean at that point?
And on what basis do you say that a straight magnifier doesn't work for angreal?
On the basis that weaker people could never use the CK, which the multiplier effect does not explain.
As for Asmodean, I cant see their being much difference in fatigue to give him any advantage.
Then if you look at a book or two later he goes toe to toe with Lanfear (each possessing an angreal) and does pretty well. Asmodean could never have done this, despite probably being close to her in strength, she had vast ammounts of skill, for Rand not to be instantly crushed he'd have to be stronger than her in the power.
Rand was probably close to fully developed in terms of how much he could channel by his dual with Rahvin, also Asmodean (admitedly in his character) runs from Rand.
Either way it's a matter of opinion, I'd like to hear Sidious or (god forbid) Cannoli's view which I suspect would put the issue to bed, as they could provide quotes to say one way or another.
As it is I'm in halls without my books so I couldn't find the quotes if I wanted to.
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This message last edited by TheCrownless on 12/11/2009 at 03:03:39 PM
Sanderson's understanding of angreal is totally wrong...
- 12/11/2009 11:10:57 AM
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You should include quotes
- 12/11/2009 11:42:20 AM
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The angreal magnifies the power of the individual holding it, not that of the entire circle.
- 12/11/2009 11:57:20 AM
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Re: The angreal magnifies the power of the individual holding it, not that of the entire circle.
- 12/11/2009 12:37:46 PM
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Re: The angreal magnifies the power of the individual holding it, not that of the entire circle.
- 12/11/2009 02:27:41 PM
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Please elaborate...
- 12/11/2009 02:42:17 PM
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On the basis that we dont agree on the use of sa'angreals on a group.
- 12/11/2009 03:02:29 PM
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OK, I'll humour you. This once.
- 12/11/2009 05:18:57 PM
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Rand Balefires a whole castle
- 12/11/2009 01:10:05 PM
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Ever notice the "sa" in sa'angreal?
- 12/11/2009 03:09:30 PM
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It stands for Super Amazing. *NM*
- 12/11/2009 04:10:02 PM
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I was under the assumption it was super awesome but oh well. *NM*
- 13/11/2009 06:08:36 AM
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There's never been any indication that sa'angreal work through a different mechanism to angreal...
- 12/11/2009 04:51:13 PM
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It has always been a viable theory, and Sanderson seems convincing...EDIT: RJ's take
- 12/11/2009 08:21:17 PM
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Wrong place *ignore*
- 12/11/2009 08:45:32 PM
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Do you still stick by the exponential theory?
- 12/11/2009 08:52:31 PM
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*NM*
sa'angreal and angreal are only different in terms of the magnitude of their effects *NM*
- 12/11/2009 06:56:43 PM
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You are missing two important points
- 12/11/2009 05:09:35 PM
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Response to both points...
- 12/11/2009 05:57:11 PM
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In fact, I've just read the actual report, and Sanderson didn't say anything near what you quoted.
- 12/11/2009 06:06:39 PM
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Re: Look at how similar descriptions of angreal and Sa'angreal affects are in the books.
- 12/11/2009 07:34:16 PM
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Probably
- 12/11/2009 09:05:31 PM
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Some ways the fixed amount theory could work...
- 13/11/2009 12:33:04 AM
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There is an argument for a minimum strength argument in the Great Hunt
- 13/11/2009 03:26:11 AM
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