Sanderson eliminates a particular somebody from consideration as Asmodean's killer
Logain Send a noteboard - 11/11/2009 05:18:48 PM
We learned definitely that GRAENDAL DID NOT KILL ASMODEAN.
Here's the dialogue of a conversation between Sanderson and a fan(tape recorded and transcribed, by the way, so there would be no mistakes).
BUSTED! Graendal did NOT kill Asmodean.
And as further evidence, from a signing in Philadelphia, Brandon said:
Another fan asked if the balefiring of Grendeal could bring back Asmodean, if in fact Graendal was the person who killed him. Brandon essentially said no, because it happened much too long ago. At best balefire burns someone out of the pattern 3 days to a week at the absolute most. But usually more like 5 minutes.
This last quote is taken from here: http://www.dragonmount.com/News/?p=1013
Here's the dialogue of a conversation between Sanderson and a fan(tape recorded and transcribed, by the way, so there would be no mistakes).
Matt – Question: The Choedan Kal, does it amplify your power? Is it a limited, for example, if I have a certain amount of power does it give me 10x what I have, or is it a certain amount of power I can access?
Brandon: One of the things I’ve been doing when I answer questions is that I’ve been saying that this is my understanding and putting an asterisk at the bottom that is a – I am speaking from my understanding and not from specific knowledge from the notes, meaning yes I am probably right but these are the questions I could be wrong on…this one my understanding is that it is a reservoir of power. It is not necessarily a magnification. A very weak person with a very powerful sa’angreal is very powerful. I’m pretty sure on that one, but I will add the asterisk just in case. If you send me an email, I can go back and look to make sure. But I’m reasonably sure on that one, the reasons being things that are talked about in the notes mixed with the way an’greal and sa’angreal worked previously in the books mixed with two specific things that he talked about in the notes when people using an’greal and sa’angreal after they become very weak or after they are weak.
Matt – Question: We know that in the Age of Legends that the Forsaken/Chosen, everyone agreed to stop using Balefire because of its effects on the Pattern. Is it unrealistic then to say that a great amount of power could burn someone’s thread back a year or six months. Is that an unrealistic thing to say that there is enough power available to either one or multiple people to burn somebody back that far?
Brandon: I see what you are getting at you are trying to figure out if Graendal was killed with a whole lot of balefire would it bring Asmodean back to life (Brandon had heard about this idea, which he mentions later).
Matt: …like that could ever happen…
Brandon: That’s what you are digging for isn’t you?
Matt: Let’s say, if a Forsaken was responsible for killing another Forsaken.
Brandon: Uh huh
Matt: And said Forsaken was balefired….
Brandon: You are under the assumption…You are trying to figure out who killed Asmodean again. That’s what you are trying to do and I’m not going to get caught and let you know…
Matt: It’s a legit question…and I’m sure whatever is said at this table stays at this table…
Brandon: I’m sure, the leader of Theoryland and the guy taping this…
~Much laughter from table~
Brandon: Let’s divorce it. Rand balefires Rahvin as hardcore as he could and Rand is one of the most powerful people to live and he got us, what have you determined, from the lightning killing Mat until balefire killed Rahvin, I’d guess fifteen minutes.
Matt: Well, he at least got us fifteen minutes. We don’t know how far back, we just know up to that moment.
Brandon: Well, we do know because if it had been too much further than that we would have noticed a lot of discrepancies in the Pattern from things he’d done…
Matt: Let’s say thirty minutes to an hour, at the most
Brandon: Alright, thirty minutes to an hour. Okay, let’s say the Choedan Kal amplifies his abilities 100 fold…let’s say it’s a 100 times more powerful than Rand. That’s giving us, lets say he got an hour, we’ve got four days, from the most powerful, one of the most powerful sa’angreal ever created. I think it is unrealistic to assume you can get back a year, but that’s not saying it is impossible. I think that if you did that to the Pattern the ramifications would be so dramatic you’d see the Pattern unraveling hardcore at that point, it’s like balefiring an entire city. When I first read that guess I just laughed, I’m like guys c’mon lets run the math on this.
Matt: Like I said to Jennifer, it is my job at Theoryland to entertain these ideas.
Brandon: Yes it is, it is your job to entertain them. But in the terms of Mythbusters let’s go ahead and call that one “Busted” in the realistic world. I’ve got to give you at least something, so I’ll at least give you that…If it were possible to do things like that, we’d have the Dark One just going and balefiring you know Tam so Rand never gets picked up off the mountain….
Brandon: One of the things I’ve been doing when I answer questions is that I’ve been saying that this is my understanding and putting an asterisk at the bottom that is a – I am speaking from my understanding and not from specific knowledge from the notes, meaning yes I am probably right but these are the questions I could be wrong on…this one my understanding is that it is a reservoir of power. It is not necessarily a magnification. A very weak person with a very powerful sa’angreal is very powerful. I’m pretty sure on that one, but I will add the asterisk just in case. If you send me an email, I can go back and look to make sure. But I’m reasonably sure on that one, the reasons being things that are talked about in the notes mixed with the way an’greal and sa’angreal worked previously in the books mixed with two specific things that he talked about in the notes when people using an’greal and sa’angreal after they become very weak or after they are weak.
Matt – Question: We know that in the Age of Legends that the Forsaken/Chosen, everyone agreed to stop using Balefire because of its effects on the Pattern. Is it unrealistic then to say that a great amount of power could burn someone’s thread back a year or six months. Is that an unrealistic thing to say that there is enough power available to either one or multiple people to burn somebody back that far?
Brandon: I see what you are getting at you are trying to figure out if Graendal was killed with a whole lot of balefire would it bring Asmodean back to life (Brandon had heard about this idea, which he mentions later).
Matt: …like that could ever happen…
Brandon: That’s what you are digging for isn’t you?
Matt: Let’s say, if a Forsaken was responsible for killing another Forsaken.
Brandon: Uh huh
Matt: And said Forsaken was balefired….
Brandon: You are under the assumption…You are trying to figure out who killed Asmodean again. That’s what you are trying to do and I’m not going to get caught and let you know…
Matt: It’s a legit question…and I’m sure whatever is said at this table stays at this table…
Brandon: I’m sure, the leader of Theoryland and the guy taping this…
~Much laughter from table~
Brandon: Let’s divorce it. Rand balefires Rahvin as hardcore as he could and Rand is one of the most powerful people to live and he got us, what have you determined, from the lightning killing Mat until balefire killed Rahvin, I’d guess fifteen minutes.
Matt: Well, he at least got us fifteen minutes. We don’t know how far back, we just know up to that moment.
Brandon: Well, we do know because if it had been too much further than that we would have noticed a lot of discrepancies in the Pattern from things he’d done…
Matt: Let’s say thirty minutes to an hour, at the most
Brandon: Alright, thirty minutes to an hour. Okay, let’s say the Choedan Kal amplifies his abilities 100 fold…let’s say it’s a 100 times more powerful than Rand. That’s giving us, lets say he got an hour, we’ve got four days, from the most powerful, one of the most powerful sa’angreal ever created. I think it is unrealistic to assume you can get back a year, but that’s not saying it is impossible. I think that if you did that to the Pattern the ramifications would be so dramatic you’d see the Pattern unraveling hardcore at that point, it’s like balefiring an entire city. When I first read that guess I just laughed, I’m like guys c’mon lets run the math on this.
Matt: Like I said to Jennifer, it is my job at Theoryland to entertain these ideas.
Brandon: Yes it is, it is your job to entertain them. But in the terms of Mythbusters let’s go ahead and call that one “Busted” in the realistic world. I’ve got to give you at least something, so I’ll at least give you that…If it were possible to do things like that, we’d have the Dark One just going and balefiring you know Tam so Rand never gets picked up off the mountain….
BUSTED! Graendal did NOT kill Asmodean.
And as further evidence, from a signing in Philadelphia, Brandon said:
Another fan asked if the balefiring of Grendeal could bring back Asmodean, if in fact Graendal was the person who killed him. Brandon essentially said no, because it happened much too long ago. At best balefire burns someone out of the pattern 3 days to a week at the absolute most. But usually more like 5 minutes.
This last quote is taken from here: http://www.dragonmount.com/News/?p=1013
This message last edited by Logain on 11/11/2009 at 05:34:30 PM
Sanderson eliminates a particular somebody from consideration as Asmodean's killer
11/11/2009 05:18:48 PM
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He didn't say if she did or did not.
11/11/2009 05:27:34 PM
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Yes, Brandon did. I edited my original message to add in another quote from Brandon...see above *NM*
11/11/2009 05:33:27 PM
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That still doesn't say if she did or did not.
11/11/2009 05:39:12 PM
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It eliminates for the following
11/11/2009 05:44:29 PM
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That's quite a leap of logic...
11/11/2009 06:31:21 PM
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I can't follow your logic
11/11/2009 06:33:41 PM
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That is a fallacious leap of logic.
11/11/2009 06:50:13 PM
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your interpretation is wrong
11/11/2009 05:47:53 PM
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I generally agree...
11/11/2009 06:11:46 PM
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There's nothing in those quotes that even touches on who killed Asmodean.
11/11/2009 06:40:31 PM
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Re: There's nothing in those quotes that even touches on who killed Asmodean.
11/11/2009 07:53:19 PM
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Re: There's nothing in those quotes that even touches on who killed Asmodean.
11/11/2009 11:31:12 PM
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Logain is just making too much of a RJ comment in which he said he'd "probably" do it that way.
12/11/2009 12:13:25 AM
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This logic is lacking as well
11/11/2009 10:17:48 PM
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Re: Sanderson eliminates a particular somebody from consideration as Asmodean's killer
11/11/2009 07:59:32 PM
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But do you agree that Graendal cannot reveal herself if she got balefired? *NM*
11/11/2009 08:07:53 PM
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Re: But do you agree that Graendal cannot reveal herself if she got balefired?
11/11/2009 08:15:16 PM
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Sure she can reveal herself! Even if she got Balefired!
11/11/2009 08:52:49 PM
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this is what happens when you get interrupted in the middle of a post *NM*
11/11/2009 09:28:01 PM
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What? Did you double post?
11/11/2009 09:49:15 PM
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Ya, got couple of phone calls and some other stuff and forgot where I was in the process *NM*
11/11/2009 10:10:10 PM
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According to Etzel, this is impossible
12/11/2009 04:14:47 AM
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I don't say it's impossible...
12/11/2009 03:11:17 PM
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We can still have a pre-death PoV from her. Or another Chosen can implicate her. *NM*
11/11/2009 10:48:10 PM
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That did not confirm anything except her being balefired wouldn't bring him back.
12/11/2009 03:48:43 AM
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Uh, I read the exact opposite
12/11/2009 04:13:45 AM
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That is the most absurd leap in logic I have read in a LONG time.
12/11/2009 02:51:00 PM
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Then you must have missed the threads about Elayne, Aviendha and Min melting together. =P *NM*
12/11/2009 06:24:53 PM
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