Answer to Crackbranded Asha' man: Where has it ever been shown that Taim is gay?
Curie Send a noteboard - 09/11/2009 06:25:42 PM
Third; and this seems pretty minor given everything you said, but where has it ever been shown that Taim is gay? We haven't seen much of his character in the last few books but I never picked up on any clues that may have been there. I don't think I've heard anyone else ever bring this up.
The possibility of male homosexual practices in the Black Tower were discussed in Wotmania, if I remember correctly, in years 2000-2001. Discussion was triggered by following fragment of Toveine’s PoV:
“Last night”, Sandomiere said after moment, “I learned that Mishraile is having private lessons from M’Hael”. He stroked his pointed beard with satisfaction, as if he produced a gem of great price”.
Perhaps he had, but Toveine could not say what kind. Logain nodded slowly. The others exchanged silent looks with faces that may be carved.” (WH, Prologue “Snow”).
Second hint was from Gabrelle’s PoV in next book:
“The newcomer [ Mishraile] was almost as tall, as Logain, with waves of golden hair to his wide shoulders and a winnig smile. She suspected, he knew it was a winning smile. He was too pretty not to know, much more beautiful than Logain. Life’s forges had hardened Logain’s face, and left edges. This young man was smooth, yet. Still the Sword and the Dragon decorated his coat collar” […] “ His smile slid into smirk, disdainful and not at all winning. “Maybe if you ask the M’Hael, he’ll let you join his classes at the palace. You wouldn’t be bored them”.( CoT, Prologue “Glimmers of the Pattern”).
It is widely known, that internal organization of the Black Tower, in some way, is similar to the structure and regulations of yhe Die Sturmabteilungen der NSDAP, or SA, established in Germany by Hitler in 1920. Inside SA was unit named Die Schutzstaffeln der NSDAP, or SS, organized in 1925. Members of SS were clad in black uniforms, with distinctions on collar. From 1931, on the top of SA was Ernst Rohm, second to Hitler only. He was killed by order of Hitler during the Night of Long Knives, July 1st, 1934. Rohm was a known gay. He successfully promoted homosexual practices and homosexual friendship between members of SA. Training courses ( “classes” in BT) for young adepts of SA usually ended with orgies. Rohm willingly arranged quick promotion of his young, pretty, blond aide-de-camps. After death of Rohm, his successor Himmler banned officially homosexual practices inside SA, and slowly dismantled this organization. He developed SS instead.
Mishraile was brutally punished by Taim, for not guarding his tongue (KoD, Epilogue "Remember the Old Saing". Recently occured, that he has a very powerful patron. He was a messenger of Moridin to Graendal. “ The youth stood still, just two steps into the room. And my, he was attractive! Pale golden hair as was so rare in many parts of the world, green eyes that shimmered like moss-grown pools, a lithe figure taut with just enough muscle. Greandal clicked her tongue. Was Moridin trying to temp her by sending his very most pretty, or was the choice coincidental?”. (tGS, Prologue, “What the storm means”).
Good for him. I expect Mishraile going in glory he seeks, and having much pleasure, even if for very short time. He will be one of Deadlords killed by Logain, I presume.
This message last edited by Curie on 10/11/2009 at 11:11:20 AM
Min's riddle
08/11/2009 02:45:09 PM
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Re: Min's riddle
08/11/2009 03:20:53 PM
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That third isn't so mysterious
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Re: That third isn't so mysterious
08/11/2009 04:47:10 PM
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It was stated explicitly that the third person is Moridin.
08/11/2009 05:19:16 PM
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Re: It was stated explicitly that the third person is Moridin.
08/11/2009 06:33:22 PM
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Wrong again. Pages 235-236 in The Gathering Storm are very clear about this.
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Re: Wrong again. Pages 235-236 in The Gathering Storm are very clear about this.
08/11/2009 11:01:53 PM
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I was more polite to you and your silly theories than you deserved.
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I don't see how when I disagree with about everything you said
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Eh, there's no evidence of that, other than an abundance of vowels in their name.
10/11/2009 06:49:58 AM
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Answer to Crackbranded Asha' man: Where has it ever been shown that Taim is gay?
09/11/2009 06:25:42 PM
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So... everyone pointing out how terrible this theory is in your original post hasn't disuaded you?
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Re: So... everyone pointing out how terrible this theory is ...
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Rand + Avi + Elayne = Three Channelers.
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Do you think, that channeling is cool?
08/11/2009 07:46:18 PM
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We're running out of time for the main characters to not start figuring things out.
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Too simple and obvious. *NM*
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Appearantly it wasn't obvious...
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But readers get the filtered bits and pieces. The characters have access to whole reams of works.
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Re: Min's riddle
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I can see this as a definite possibility
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So why...
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The Dark One is sentient; the CK is just a tool *NM*
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True, but it wouldn't be the first time in this series... *NM*
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My point was that you can't really compare it to destroying the CK- it's a totally different
11/11/2009 07:02:54 AM
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How about LTT (loud voice), Old Rand (tiny voice), and New Rand? They have already become "one" *NM*
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