Reminds me of the theories (which I and others supported) that Semirhage actually must have had a more clever plan than to simply try capturing Rand disguised as Tuon in KoD. The main reason was that we thought that a Top Forsaken like Semirhage wouldn't be that stupid. But we learned in TGS that Semirhage indeed failed greatly. Graendal wasn't even stupid in TGS, but the Semirhage-lesson taught me that no Forsaken is such intelligent as the "Graendal escaped"-followers believe now. She simply couldn't anticipate Rand's action.
Besides that, it makes more sense that Graendal's storyline was ended that way to concentrate on other things in the last two books, similar to Masema's, Semirhage's, Suroth's, Sevanna's, Galina's and maybe Elaida's conclusion.
Besides that, it makes more sense that Graendal's storyline was ended that way to concentrate on other things in the last two books, similar to Masema's, Semirhage's, Suroth's, Sevanna's, Galina's and maybe Elaida's conclusion.
The build up to Graendal from Lews Therin's point of view is based on the riddle, 'how do you beat someone who is cleverer than you on every level'? No one could answer him, and Lews Therin had no idea how to defeat her - but he had ways to defeat Lanfear, Sammael and other Chosen. To him, she was the supreme puzzle.
Rand derives the answer 'let her think you're playing her game then punch her in the face'. He balefired the entire palace. It was instant, unpredictable and total - she didn't have a chance.
If Graendal survived it will make Rand seem like a fool because even though he derived the answer, he failed. It doesn't make sense. Cadsuane had to work out how to break Semirhage, and Rand had to work out how to defeat a mind manipulator. They both succeeded.
The reversal of the Compulsion was specifically inserted to show that she'd died. It strains credibility to think that she'd perfected that timing, while at the same time she had to avoid the biggest blast of balefire since the War of Power. She also had no way to know that Rand would use balefire, so why would she create the 'unweaving' subterfuge. Rand might have used a giant fireball or swallowed the palace into the earth. If the Compulsion had unravelled then, she would have looked really stupid. Graendal cannot be as omniscient as others are portraying - she merely had the ability to invoke an atrocity because she couldn't be defeated in other ways.
Graendal - maybe the deadliest Forsaken
05/11/2009 07:00:12 AM
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Graendal wasn't that deadly...
05/11/2009 09:37:24 AM
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I think she's the most deadly and intelligent. The others are idiots, IMHO.
05/11/2009 06:38:30 PM
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This whole Graendal is alive-idea
05/11/2009 07:13:16 PM
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Here's the deal, though. Semirhage actions actually followed part of the theory to a tee.
05/11/2009 07:21:21 PM
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I just don't understand the logic here
05/11/2009 07:25:20 PM
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It's quite simple logic.
05/11/2009 08:05:15 PM
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Then how did she do it?
05/11/2009 09:41:53 PM
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Re: Then how did she do it?
05/11/2009 10:58:01 PM
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Hmm, I have some problems with this
06/11/2009 04:23:23 AM
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Some points no one addressed, a.k.a. Graendal lured Rand in...
06/11/2009 05:16:12 AM
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Still no answers. I think I'm correct in feeling she is alive. *NM*
06/11/2009 09:25:47 PM
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Re: Hmm, I have some problems with this
06/11/2009 02:34:54 PM
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I think she escaped, but it says something that he had to become worse than a Forsaken to do it
05/11/2009 06:10:08 PM
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Eventually they will be reborn...
05/11/2009 06:30:45 PM
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Thanks for reminding me. Oh well, then I'm stuck with the whole tearing apart the Pattern thing
05/11/2009 06:44:35 PM
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Moiraine says.
05/11/2009 07:02:10 PM
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In this case, Moiraine's comment doesn't really matter.
05/11/2009 07:14:44 PM
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Re: In this case, Moiraine's comment doesn't really matter.
05/11/2009 07:35:18 PM
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I conceed to Rand's point
05/11/2009 06:31:38 PM
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I don't think it's acceptable to tear apart the Pattern to save it.
05/11/2009 06:40:22 PM
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Difference between being dangerous and hard to kill--but, she is dangerous
08/11/2009 02:19:34 AM
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Not to take away from Graendal, but my vote goes to Semirhage or Aginor
16/12/2009 07:03:52 PM
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