I'm sorry, but that just makes no sense. Its like saying Claus von Stauffenberg's uprising against Hitler was useless because Nazi Germans deserved what fate befell them.
The Aes Sedai have become, as an organization, a bunch of idiots who have narrowed their focus and let the world slip into chaos. Egwene never once disputes this, never once says the Aes Sedai are okay as they are. She has reversed some of their gravest idiocies (including gathering Novices, accepting and purging out the Blacks, etc.).
Whatever their flaws, this is an organization that can do a vast amount of good if it pulls its act together. And Egwene intends to do just that.


Really? Near-sleep ramblings of an exhausted woman who has physically wearied herself in battle is cause foe criticism are now reasons to mock her? Especially when the same woman, when awake, assesses her actions as ultimately fruitless in its main purpose?
Had you been objective, that is what you would have pointed out. That it was easy to be confused and think Egwene was some superb hero, but she had the sense to see that courage that does not produce the desired results is not something to boast about.

None, because she engineered the situation so there could be none. But she did have opposition to her course of action in the Tower, from her primary adviser who is a lot more forceful and a lot less obedient, namely Siuan.


Very well. Then tell me one action of Elayne's in the Andoran succession that was not obviously sensible that was worthy of praise.

I'm merely saying that you praise Elayne and she has done nothing but show common sense, and when Egwene does the same, you dismiss it.

In the face of obviously lunatic candidates? In the face of a polity divided by the Shadow's actions?
The ideas Egwene and Elayne come up with may not be intellectually brilliant, being instead in the realm of common sense. But the impressive thing is that they come up with common sense notions when the people surrounding them are so distracted by personal prejudices and the Shadow, and then show remarkable tenacity in ensuring that sense prevails in their leadership, when so many others would let events distract and bias them.
It is called keeping a clear head in difficult times, and I don't think you will deny that Egwene has done remarkably well in that direction.

You realize that Egwene came up with her plan of action for the Blacks, came up with a solution to dispose of Verin's body without arousing suspicions, and then prepared a well organized defense against the Seanchan all after being locked in a box and regularly beaten for days on end, right? Elayne's plan pales to nothing compared to what Egwene achieved in her much worse physical state.

What if Arymilla had not been with that force? Encircling them to defeat them was still a better tactic than trying to push at them from one direction. Elayne's soldiers would not have been able to charge, and would have been close to useless in the press around the gates. They could have strengthened the defense, yes, but encircling the attackers, irrespective of whether Arymilla was present, was the better course of action.

So, if planning in advance and coming up with a good tactic do not make Elayne a good candidate, what does? And what such quality does Egwene lack?

Bull shit. The raid had become a full scale attack, as far as results went, when Egwene entered the fray. As Saerin said, they stayed so long because there was virtually no resistance, and had Egwene's strong defense not drawn the Seanchan to the Novices quarters, they would have roamed the Tower longer, and could have crippled the smaller pockets of resistance much more easily.

Yes, the Seanchan got Travelling, which made this a defeat for the Tower, as Egwene herself pointed out. But should they decide to launch an attack again, using Travelling this time, the Tower actually has the numbers to beat them back, and that is entirely due to Egwene. But for her, it would be a majorly depleted Tower facing the Seanchan with Travelling.


Doesn't matter if you misquote him. Flawed logic and twisted perspective are traits you share with him, so I'll allow you to claim what you want as his statement.


She did not! I'm tired to pointing to the quote in tPoD where she explicitly states that she believes the Tower split to be necessary since without it, the Aes Sedai would interfere with Rand too much.

More importantly, a lot of the wretchedness of the Aes Sedai can be laid at Elaida's feet, so Egwene's opposition of that woman so she could lead the Tower to better times and greater use in the LB are entirely justified.