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It wasn't absurd. Just clever... fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 01/11/2009 03:33:22 AM
As someone points out in the book itself (though I don't remember where now), it's likely that other Amyrlins were elected by Black Ajah Sitters - indeed, Egwene was. They try to make an argument that it's different because Egwene had enough votes to make it even without the Black votes, but I can't see how that makes any legal difference, to be honest. Political, yes. Legal, no. Trying to declare binding votes invalid retroactively because you realize afterwards that some of the voters were criminals doesn't make much sense, and is an enormous slippery slope besides - a number of other decisions of both the Tar Valon Hall and the Salidar one might suddenly prove invalid as well if you follow that line of argument, including, ironically, Salidar's decision to go to war on Tar Valon all the way back in tPoD. Take out Delana's and Moria's votes in favour, and the decision fails to pass, I just checked. See link.

So honestly, Elaida's election was legal, that wasn't the problem with it. If anything strictly speaking illegal happened during that coup, it's more likely to have been the murder of Alric or other things.

The main illegality with Elaida's election was that her secret calling of 11 Sitters most likely counts as collusion, which is a major crime.

However, the Rebels cause was never justified as fighting an illegal Amyrlin. They merely claim that Elaida's rise, while technically legal, grossly violated the spirit of the law, and her stilling of Siuan and Leane without trial, and the murder of Alric, were definitely not even remotely legal.

Not to mention hiring mercenaries to kill sisters...
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Well Brandon Sanderson has officially killed off the last volume of the Epic Saga of the Chosen One. - 30/10/2009 02:36:19 AM 2445 Views
Life in unfair, just let Egwene have it already. - 30/10/2009 03:11:04 AM 849 Views
I skimmed cannoli's predictable rant. I disagree. I LOVED EVERY CHAPTER! - 30/10/2009 03:29:24 AM 803 Views
Agreed! *NM* - 30/10/2009 03:47:52 AM 504 Views
I liked her chapters. Mainly because they gave her something to do. - 30/10/2009 09:43:58 PM 722 Views
I adore Brandon Sanderson. - 30/10/2009 05:05:11 AM 833 Views
Me too - 30/10/2009 10:38:52 AM 889 Views
Exactly. - 30/10/2009 04:33:11 PM 735 Views
Re: I adore Brandon Sanderson. - 30/10/2009 02:45:03 PM 902 Views
Re: I adore Brandon Sanderson. - 30/10/2009 04:34:53 PM 755 Views
I think he meant Cannoli, not you, Seriana. *NM* - 30/10/2009 05:30:17 PM 432 Views
Ahhh. - 30/10/2009 09:15:14 PM 729 Views
Re: Ahhh. - 31/10/2009 03:51:14 AM 731 Views
Re: Ahhh. - 01/11/2009 06:37:41 AM 753 Views
Ditto. Thought he was a breath of fresh air to the series. - 30/10/2009 03:27:43 PM 719 Views
If renewal means someone grossly unfamiliar with the series, sure. - 30/10/2009 06:26:19 PM 1242 Views
Everything up to tGS - 30/10/2009 06:25:28 PM 942 Views
Re: Everything up to tGS - 30/10/2009 08:21:33 PM 923 Views
What on earth makes you think I dislike it? - 31/10/2009 05:25:07 AM 830 Views
General impression lately I guess. - 31/10/2009 04:38:29 PM 766 Views
Re: General impression lately I guess. - 31/10/2009 10:41:06 PM 762 Views
Thanks. - 01/11/2009 06:32:12 AM 842 Views
double post, hate my computer. - 30/10/2009 08:24:12 PM 833 Views
Don't agree completely but what I do want to see is - 30/10/2009 07:12:54 AM 753 Views
so I guess ... - 30/10/2009 02:48:10 PM 936 Views
You want a friend like Mat - 30/10/2009 06:33:47 PM 735 Views
might I add.. - 30/10/2009 08:30:24 AM 683 Views
Re: might I add.. - 30/10/2009 10:41:39 AM 781 Views
Re: might I add.. - 30/10/2009 06:47:17 PM 789 Views
There is a difference between defending your home from attack - 31/10/2009 03:34:57 PM 707 Views
I sit somewhere in the middle, she's improved, but still many flaws - 30/10/2009 11:35:47 AM 782 Views
Like others don't have flaws? - 30/10/2009 02:58:08 PM 777 Views
EVERYTHING is handed to her on a platter! - 30/10/2009 06:41:02 PM 800 Views
Touched a nerve did I? - 30/10/2009 07:19:00 PM 893 Views
Re: Touched a nerve did I? - 30/10/2009 07:24:41 PM 817 Views
Re: Touched a nerve did I? - 30/10/2009 07:31:14 PM 872 Views
Re: Touched a nerve did I? - 31/10/2009 06:36:33 AM 763 Views
Re: Touched a nerve did I? - 31/10/2009 09:33:34 AM 771 Views
And you aren't? - 01/11/2009 12:42:50 AM 737 Views
Seems to me you're both right. - 01/11/2009 07:45:12 PM 716 Views
Bah - 30/10/2009 03:36:42 PM 811 Views
wait a sec... - 30/10/2009 04:31:56 PM 878 Views
Now now! Let's take off the rose-tinted glasses for a minute. - 30/10/2009 05:21:07 PM 711 Views
Re: Bah - 30/10/2009 06:49:47 PM 840 Views
Rant on! Rant on! - 30/10/2009 12:54:16 PM 689 Views
Re: Rant on! Rant on! - 30/10/2009 03:18:44 PM 743 Views
A personal question: Cannoli, are you threatened by a powerful woman? - 30/10/2009 07:13:30 PM 818 Views
Obviously. - 31/10/2009 05:37:52 AM 702 Views
Well... - 31/10/2009 05:56:56 AM 665 Views
Countries are real, normal and natural things. The White Tower has no proven value. - 31/10/2009 06:52:48 AM 747 Views
Tar Valon is a nation - 31/10/2009 09:20:43 AM 732 Views
The "Elaida's election was illegal because of Black Ajah Sitters" is really an absurd argument - 01/11/2009 12:06:32 AM 798 Views
It wasn't absurd. Just clever... - 01/11/2009 03:33:22 AM 821 Views
I wasn't saying the rebels had no cause for rebellion. Just that the election *was* legal. - 01/11/2009 10:38:59 AM 824 Views
Hmm..... - 06/11/2009 04:18:14 PM 675 Views
I take it she'll carefully avoid bringing up the war vote, then. *NM* - 08/11/2009 12:47:21 AM 315 Views
Not a problem... - 08/11/2009 06:17:39 AM 741 Views
Are you blinded by a pair of teats? - 31/10/2009 07:17:44 AM 909 Views
Re: Well Brandon Sanderson has officially killed off the last volume of the Epic Saga of the Chosen - 30/10/2009 11:38:24 PM 832 Views
The harbor chain incident was no less stupid because it helped her - 31/10/2009 05:40:20 AM 686 Views
It must be embarassing to be on the same side as such dingbats. - 31/10/2009 07:18:42 AM 819 Views
*snort* *NM* - 31/10/2009 07:19:49 AM 437 Views
Re: It must be embarassing to be on the same side as such dingbats. - 31/10/2009 09:28:16 AM 805 Views
Don't expect rationality from Cannoli... - 31/10/2009 02:01:45 PM 866 Views
Or logical trains of thought from fionwe1987.... - 01/11/2009 01:07:06 AM 839 Views
Re: Or logical trains of thought from fionwe1987.... - 01/11/2009 04:30:21 AM 833 Views
Re: Or logical trains of thought from fionwe1987.... - 01/11/2009 08:41:58 AM 783 Views
Re: Or logical trains of thought from fionwe1987.... - 05/11/2009 02:40:16 AM 757 Views
Re: It must be embarassing to be on the same side as such dingbats. - 01/11/2009 12:31:10 AM 737 Views
I have one question - 01/11/2009 07:12:23 AM 775 Views
Capture, NOT kill, and she herself said the sa'angreal made that impossible. - 01/11/2009 07:59:44 AM 767 Views
Capture OR kill - 01/11/2009 09:12:08 AM 813 Views
Egwene isn't ta'veren - 31/10/2009 05:57:54 AM 720 Views
Re: Egwene isn't ta'veren - 31/10/2009 11:01:54 AM 710 Views
Events do seem to suggest otherwise. *NM* - 31/10/2009 04:40:42 PM 449 Views
I see Cannoll is still going strong about Egwene... - 01/11/2009 08:40:17 PM 772 Views
There were a few instances in the book where Egwene really bothered me. - 02/11/2009 12:54:10 AM 718 Views
Egwene's always been a hypocrite - 02/11/2009 02:06:58 PM 904 Views

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