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Or logical trains of thought from fionwe1987.... Cannoli Send a noteboard - 01/11/2009 01:07:06 AM
I'm sure if I were to point out that Verin, someone even he is forced to respect to some extent, said that she was surprised and amazed at how well Egwene has done for herself, and that Egwene had riled up the Blacks, he'd call Verin an idiot, and say Egwene sucked anyway.
That is an inherently fallacious argument from authority. Why don't you point out a place where I ever claim a character is great or flawed because of another character's assessment. Secondly, what is Verin saying, other than noting Egwene's success? Anyone could see how far she had come. That does not make her any less of a scumbag. It is Cannoli here, not Sidious. You need more than success in gaining rank to mean anything to me.

He'll forget the fact that a book ago, he was claiming that Egwene was the greatest gift to the Shadow. But when she single handedly starts reversing the damage Mesaana and Alviarin have done to the Tower, and suddenly anyone could have healed that damage, and what she said was only common sense and not praiseworthy.
Yes, she does improve herself in this book. But her taking action anyone could take is not inconsistant with what I had said about her previous actions. There is absolutely nothing inconsistant, and the two things you cite have nothing to do with each other, nor are they mutually exclusive, EVEN IF they were true.

I'm sure you'll be reading this Cannoli. So let me just say this... not one of the main characters has achieved anything without fortuitous circumstances and luck. All of them have their birth and associations to thank for for some major successes. It is telling that you seek to blame only Egwene for this.
I blame Egwene because that is all that she has to go on.
Cannoli
"Sometimes unhinged, sometimes unfair, always entertaining"
- The Crownless

“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Deus Vult!
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Well Brandon Sanderson has officially killed off the last volume of the Epic Saga of the Chosen One. Cannoli - 30/10/2009 02:36:19 AM 2909 Views
Life in unfair, just let Egwene have it already. redhand - 30/10/2009 03:11:04 AM 1260 Views
I skimmed cannoli's predictable rant. I disagree. I LOVED EVERY CHAPTER! Bookwyrm - 30/10/2009 03:29:24 AM 1204 Views
Agreed! *NM* Mats imaginary friend - 30/10/2009 03:47:52 AM 704 Views
I liked her chapters. Mainly because they gave her something to do. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 30/10/2009 09:43:58 PM 1116 Views
I adore Brandon Sanderson. Seriana Sedai - 30/10/2009 05:05:11 AM 1241 Views
Me too Sidious - 30/10/2009 10:38:52 AM 1285 Views
Exactly. Seriana Sedai - 30/10/2009 04:33:11 PM 1124 Views
Re: I adore Brandon Sanderson. thebestrob - 30/10/2009 02:45:03 PM 1303 Views
Re: I adore Brandon Sanderson. Seriana Sedai - 30/10/2009 04:34:53 PM 1148 Views
I think he meant Cannoli, not you, Seriana. *NM* Bookwyrm - 30/10/2009 05:30:17 PM 643 Views
Ahhh. Seriana Sedai - 30/10/2009 09:15:14 PM 1127 Views
Re: Ahhh. Bookwyrm - 31/10/2009 03:51:14 AM 1124 Views
Re: Ahhh. Seriana Sedai - 01/11/2009 06:37:41 AM 1176 Views
Ditto. Thought he was a breath of fresh air to the series. Asha'man - 30/10/2009 03:27:43 PM 1144 Views
If renewal means someone grossly unfamiliar with the series, sure. Cannoli - 30/10/2009 06:26:19 PM 1700 Views
Everything up to tGS Cannoli - 30/10/2009 06:25:28 PM 1360 Views
Re: Everything up to tGS Seriana Sedai - 30/10/2009 08:21:33 PM 1355 Views
What on earth makes you think I dislike it? Cannoli - 31/10/2009 05:25:07 AM 1228 Views
General impression lately I guess. Seriana Sedai - 31/10/2009 04:38:29 PM 1140 Views
Re: General impression lately I guess. Cannoli - 31/10/2009 10:41:06 PM 1163 Views
Thanks. Seriana Sedai - 01/11/2009 06:32:12 AM 1261 Views
double post, hate my computer. Seriana Sedai - 30/10/2009 08:24:12 PM 1257 Views
Don't agree completely but what I do want to see is Lord o' Salv - 30/10/2009 07:12:54 AM 1094 Views
so I guess ... Bookwyrm - 30/10/2009 02:48:10 PM 1357 Views
You want a friend like Mat TheCrownless - 30/10/2009 06:33:47 PM 1144 Views
Yes, he will pull thru 4 u in the end, but Matt still needs to grow up. and fast *NM* Bookwyrm - 30/10/2009 07:32:28 PM 652 Views
How so? What does he do that is detrimentally immature? Cannoli - 01/11/2009 08:05:07 AM 1160 Views
might I add.. urizen - 30/10/2009 08:30:24 AM 1087 Views
Re: might I add.. Sidious - 30/10/2009 10:41:39 AM 1173 Views
Re: might I add.. urizen - 30/10/2009 06:47:17 PM 1157 Views
There is a difference between defending your home from attack TheCrownless - 31/10/2009 03:34:57 PM 1095 Views
I sit somewhere in the middle, she's improved, but still many flaws ajfurst - 30/10/2009 11:35:47 AM 1202 Views
Like others don't have flaws? Bookwyrm - 30/10/2009 02:58:08 PM 1174 Views
EVERYTHING is handed to her on a platter! Cannoli - 30/10/2009 06:41:02 PM 1304 Views
Touched a nerve did I? Bookwyrm - 30/10/2009 07:19:00 PM 1374 Views
Re: Touched a nerve did I? thebestrob - 30/10/2009 07:24:41 PM 1233 Views
Re: Touched a nerve did I? Bookwyrm - 30/10/2009 07:31:14 PM 1269 Views
Re: Touched a nerve did I? Cannoli - 31/10/2009 06:36:33 AM 1169 Views
Re: Touched a nerve did I? Sidious - 31/10/2009 09:33:34 AM 1193 Views
And you aren't? Cannoli - 01/11/2009 12:42:50 AM 1117 Views
Seems to me you're both right. Legolas - 01/11/2009 07:45:12 PM 1144 Views
Bah Sidious - 30/10/2009 03:36:42 PM 1230 Views
wait a sec... scalius - 30/10/2009 04:31:56 PM 1285 Views
Now now! Let's take off the rose-tinted glasses for a minute. entyti - 30/10/2009 05:21:07 PM 1124 Views
Actually, Elaida WILL reveal Traveling. We've seen countless times AS broken easily by the Seanchan. *NM* Bookwyrm - 30/10/2009 05:28:06 PM 638 Views
More than likely, but if anyone could avoid giving it up it would be stubborn, self rightous Elaida. Seriana Sedai - 30/10/2009 09:20:31 PM 944 Views
Re: Bah Cannoli - 30/10/2009 06:49:47 PM 1285 Views
Rant on! Rant on! rho - 30/10/2009 12:54:16 PM 1080 Views
Re: Rant on! Rant on! Bookwyrm - 30/10/2009 03:18:44 PM 1126 Views
A personal question: Cannoli, are you threatened by a powerful woman? LTArmstrong - 30/10/2009 07:13:30 PM 1275 Views
Obviously. Great Lord of Chaos - 31/10/2009 05:37:52 AM 1128 Views
I'm afraid of the ooze left over when I take spam out of a can *shiver* *NM* Deadsy - 31/10/2009 05:39:03 AM 531 Views
Well... Sidious - 31/10/2009 05:56:56 AM 1028 Views
Countries are real, normal and natural things. The White Tower has no proven value. Cannoli - 31/10/2009 06:52:48 AM 1156 Views
Tar Valon is a nation Sidious - 31/10/2009 09:20:43 AM 1257 Views
The Aes Sedai are not. The Tower as a whole rules the polity of Tar Valon. Cannoli - 31/10/2009 11:34:42 PM 1252 Views
The "Elaida's election was illegal because of Black Ajah Sitters" is really an absurd argument Legolas - 01/11/2009 12:06:32 AM 1284 Views
It wasn't absurd. Just clever... fionwe1987 - 01/11/2009 03:33:22 AM 1232 Views
I wasn't saying the rebels had no cause for rebellion. Just that the election *was* legal. Legolas - 01/11/2009 10:38:59 AM 1243 Views
Hmm..... Sidious - 06/11/2009 04:18:14 PM 1052 Views
I take it she'll carefully avoid bringing up the war vote, then. *NM* Legolas - 08/11/2009 12:47:21 AM 521 Views
Not a problem... fionwe1987 - 08/11/2009 06:17:39 AM 1136 Views
Are you blinded by a pair of teats? Cannoli - 31/10/2009 07:17:44 AM 1313 Views
Re: Well Brandon Sanderson has officially killed off the last volume of the Epic Saga of the Chosen rho - 30/10/2009 11:38:24 PM 1238 Views
The harbor chain incident was no less stupid because it helped her Deadsy - 31/10/2009 05:40:20 AM 1079 Views
It must be embarassing to be on the same side as such dingbats. Cannoli - 31/10/2009 07:18:42 AM 1252 Views
*snort* *NM* Deadsy - 31/10/2009 07:19:49 AM 637 Views
Re: It must be embarassing to be on the same side as such dingbats. Sidious - 31/10/2009 09:28:16 AM 1190 Views
Don't expect rationality from Cannoli... fionwe1987 - 31/10/2009 02:01:45 PM 1259 Views
Or logical trains of thought from fionwe1987.... Cannoli - 01/11/2009 01:07:06 AM 1252 Views
Re: Or logical trains of thought from fionwe1987.... fionwe1987 - 01/11/2009 04:30:21 AM 1223 Views
Re: Or logical trains of thought from fionwe1987.... Cannoli - 01/11/2009 08:41:58 AM 1223 Views
Re: Or logical trains of thought from fionwe1987.... fionwe1987 - 05/11/2009 02:40:16 AM 1189 Views
Re: It must be embarassing to be on the same side as such dingbats. Cannoli - 01/11/2009 12:31:10 AM 1144 Views
I have one question Sidious - 01/11/2009 07:12:23 AM 1177 Views
Capture, NOT kill, and she herself said the sa'angreal made that impossible. Cannoli - 01/11/2009 07:59:44 AM 1173 Views
Capture OR kill Sidious - 01/11/2009 09:12:08 AM 1242 Views
Re: The harbor chain incident was no less stupid because it helped her rho - 31/10/2009 04:31:29 PM 1058 Views
Egwene isn't ta'veren Sidious - 31/10/2009 05:57:54 AM 1086 Views
Re: Egwene isn't ta'veren rho - 31/10/2009 11:01:54 AM 1092 Views
Events do seem to suggest otherwise. *NM* Legolas - 31/10/2009 04:40:42 PM 650 Views
I don't agree with all of that, but yes, Egwene's successes are a little too much. Legolas - 31/10/2009 04:30:32 PM 1256 Views
I too wondered when exactly Elaida took an overdose of crazy pills Asha'man - 01/11/2009 06:46:16 AM 1296 Views
I see Cannoll is still going strong about Egwene... Zeratul - 01/11/2009 08:40:17 PM 1142 Views
There were a few instances in the book where Egwene really bothered me. Kronin al'Sulc - 02/11/2009 12:54:10 AM 1116 Views
Egwene's always been a hypocrite Zeratul - 02/11/2009 02:06:58 PM 1323 Views
Poor cannoli; give it a rest you ridiculous numsquatz NaClH2O - 07/11/2009 06:43:10 PM 1052 Views
Yes, my long string of complaints about Sanderson has reached the limit. Cannoli - 09/11/2009 05:22:23 PM 1107 Views
Re: Yes, my long string of complaints about Sanderson has reached the limit. Sidious - 10/11/2009 07:36:46 AM 1237 Views
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