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I have... fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 31/10/2009 11:05:20 PM
Unless you can prove that damane And how do you do that without the Power?

You don't, because wielding the Power does not make you a power hungry megalomaniac.
That does not prevent the problem at all. The ability would crop up again. If the Kin can hide their true numbers and longevity from the White Tower which is keeping an eye on them, how do you propose a society of non-channelers prevent such a group from arising in their midst, and gaining strength and influence until it is time to take over? The Reds had it easy, because male channelers had no long term future, and could not try this, but untainted women? Give it no more 100 years after the death of the last known channeler before they are a major threat again.

Bull shit. Use your sul'dam to find women who can channel, and instead of torturing and enslaving them, kill them. Continue doing this, don't stop with the current generation. End of story.
As if they haven't.

Well, since they haven't, I'm waiting to see what twisted logic you'll use to "prove" that they have.
They do this too. Every girl they want, anyway.

But these girls can quit any time they want. Just refuse the test for Accepted thrice, and you're not only free to go, you're also given a fat purse of gold to start you up in the world!
Aside from using the Power in war, they do everything you mention, and they only refrain from the former because it helps them more than using the Power as a weapon does.

How does it help them? If they used it ruthlessly like the Sanchan did (say they used it against Hawkwing's besiegers), they be dominating the land in ways they can only dream of with just politics and manipulation.
The Seanchan Imperials needed the a'dam because they did not have time to breed a population of loyal channelers, but if the Tower tried to rule through the use of the Power on their enemies, every ruler or would-be ruler would be gathering his or her own force of channelers, and that would be the end of the Tower. Oh, they might survive as a polity, but they would be no more than any other state in WoT, even if they did maintain their superiority in ability or numbers of channelers.
And why exactly will the Tower leave rulers free to gather channelers? They can snap up whom they want, and if they can use the Power as a weapon, which King has the ability to stop them?
Anyway, by showing that the Aes Sedai chose a path of lesser power for the sake of greater peace, you defeat your own argument that hey are like the Seanchan.

Yes.

Why? I think you need to explain why you believe channelers are inherently more evil.
As I see it, channeling is merely a tool. It can be used fo good or ill, and that is the case whether channelers use the ability, or someone else uses the ability through them. Its not like ordering assassination is morally different from holding the gun and shooting someone yourself!
How so? I am opposed to channelers being in charge. How is it hypocrisy to want normal people in charge of channelers? That seems like consistency to me!

Because nothing differentiated normal people and channelers except the ability to channel! The a'dam all but makes normal people channelers. So what has changed?
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Is anyone angered by the Seanchan and a'dam? TheCrownless - 30/10/2009 11:14:00 PM 1460 Views
Yes, but not me Deadsy - 30/10/2009 11:32:45 PM 723 Views
Re: Yes, but not me Saruto - 31/10/2009 12:49:42 AM 664 Views
I hated him Deadsy - 31/10/2009 12:57:52 AM 655 Views
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Re: Is anyone angry by the Seanchan and A'dam itsjustme - 30/10/2009 11:45:29 PM 677 Views
Except the Seanchan are not spoiled chidlren who mistake "wishful thinking" for a plan Cannoli - 31/10/2009 04:48:45 AM 712 Views
Or he could have used the Choedan Kal TheCrownless - 31/10/2009 12:21:42 PM 664 Views
What Choedan Kal? *NM* Cannoli - 31/10/2009 10:15:24 PM 257 Views
The big shiney ball thing he destroyed at the end of the book TheCrownless - 01/11/2009 07:50:15 PM 611 Views
Destroyed. My point exactly. *NM* Cannoli - 06/11/2009 04:40:16 AM 244 Views
For what? Great Lord of Chaos - 31/10/2009 12:03:57 AM 661 Views
if he was it wasn't on purpose. I think he was just actively trying to use his ta'verenness *NM* Deadsy - 31/10/2009 12:15:32 AM 265 Views
I dont think it's compulsion. TheCrownless - 31/10/2009 12:16:00 AM 602 Views
Actually, I think it's the other way around. Great Lord of Chaos - 31/10/2009 12:21:49 AM 579 Views
He did the same thing with Cady TheCrownless - 31/10/2009 12:25:51 AM 590 Views
Personally, I thought he was using the TP to do those things. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/11/2009 07:37:31 PM 546 Views
It wasn't Compulsion...Sanderson just sort of messed up IMO Marshall - 04/11/2009 11:38:38 PM 491 Views
No Simon - 31/10/2009 12:06:13 AM 616 Views
I don't care for Tuon at all. I'd be okay if her and the Seanchan were obliterated. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 31/10/2009 12:44:22 AM 261 Views
And how is that any different from me with Egwene (except she & I are the same race)? *NM* Cannoli - 31/10/2009 04:51:17 AM 269 Views
Have I ever criticized you for disliking Egwene? TaskmasterJack - 31/10/2009 01:06:39 PM 573 Views
Why not Highlords in Tear? redhand - 31/10/2009 02:10:07 AM 701 Views
You dont really get it. TheCrownless - 31/10/2009 12:23:35 PM 548 Views
That is just POV trap redhand - 31/10/2009 04:20:07 PM 538 Views
Flawed Argument Bookwyrm - 31/10/2009 08:54:05 PM 538 Views
Not at all. Their position is perfectly justified by their experiences. Cannoli - 31/10/2009 04:29:25 AM 644 Views
The a'dam and leashing of channelers does not change the fact that the OP can be misued... fionwe1987 - 31/10/2009 09:17:20 AM 636 Views
Which is why people should NOT be MORE angered toward Seanchan than toward WT. redhand - 31/10/2009 06:22:13 PM 528 Views
That's complete hogwash. fionwe1987 - 31/10/2009 10:23:50 PM 585 Views
Using the word "Hogwash" is inviting flames, but I will be nice about it redhand - 01/11/2009 05:44:16 AM 602 Views
Re: Using the word "Hogwash" is inviting flames, but I will be nice about it fionwe1987 - 05/11/2009 02:54:52 AM 899 Views
Think it through Cannoli - 31/10/2009 10:25:08 PM 663 Views
I have... fionwe1987 - 31/10/2009 11:05:20 PM 631 Views
Re: I have... Cannoli - 01/11/2009 02:27:20 AM 797 Views
Well that was rather silly. TheCrownless - 31/10/2009 12:27:03 PM 502 Views
And a generation later, the same old problem arises. New channelers, with no one to stop them. Cannoli - 31/10/2009 10:28:35 PM 534 Views
Several valid points... Legolas - 31/10/2009 05:17:09 PM 591 Views
I wonder what if Egwene happen to be a child kidnapped at Flame and sent to WT redhand - 31/10/2009 06:30:34 PM 590 Views
Your point has some validity for the actual Seanchan damane. Legolas - 31/10/2009 06:43:40 PM 614 Views
The sul'dam should be destroyed Sidious - 31/10/2009 05:14:06 AM 559 Views
The people themselves shouldn't be. Great Lord of Chaos - 31/10/2009 05:26:08 AM 537 Views
^ *NM* Deadsy - 31/10/2009 05:33:04 AM 235 Views
Only the Empress can remove the custom Sidious - 31/10/2009 05:48:09 AM 551 Views
Due to their conditioning. Great Lord of Chaos - 31/10/2009 06:03:32 AM 566 Views
She will (and ya, sul'dam become sul'dam from age 13-18 usually) *NM* Deadsy - 31/10/2009 06:12:48 AM 258 Views
Random Saragorn - 31/10/2009 10:26:34 AM 541 Views
Agreed Simon - 31/10/2009 02:52:33 PM 534 Views
I think the a'dam is the perfect solution for Blacks and the Shaido 'Wise Ones'. Gher - 01/11/2009 02:51:27 AM 610 Views
Yes. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/11/2009 06:15:08 PM 488 Views
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