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Its been heading there, no? fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 31/10/2009 10:47:13 PM
She deserves major credit for both her judgement on a number of issues and her perseverance in doing what it took. But by turning her into a saint and a demi-goddess, as well as the only Aes Sedai with a functioning brain, it all becomes a little too much. Elaida digs her own grave in a spectacular and rather unrealistic fashion - certainly it was fun to see Elaida put in her place at last, but it was so exaggerated that the feeling was a bit hollow. The scenes with the Aes Sedai and even Sitters following her every suggestion are even worse in that regard. These are women of over a hundred years old in many cases, who were involved in politics before Egwene's mother was born. They really should not need, or take, basic advice from someone they consider an Accepted, regardless of the spine, levelheadedness and good judgement said Accepted displays.

The whole point of the Tower conflict was to show that the Aes Sedai had started believing in their own legend so strongly that they spent books doing more harm to the world than good.

Egwene never came up with advise the AS couldn't have given themselves. Certainly, RJ (and BS, here) emphasize that women like Pevara, Saerin, etc. are far from idiots, and could have done exactl what Egwene did... except for one thing...

And that is that they were caught up in the infighting themselves. They were all unprepared for the level of viciousness the Ajah's displayed towards the others, and got caught up. They could not do what Egwene did because they were seen as members of their Ajah, and entering another's quarters was not possible. They mistook their divisiveness as pride in their Ajah, and lost sight of the bigger picture.

And this makes sense. For one, these are women who have sequestered themselves. The Tower's past unity was less because of any genuine inter-Ajah cooperation and more because that was how things had always been and nothing had yet come to disturb the equilibrium.

For another, a lot of this was the Shadow's work. Much of the beginning pettiness and childish infighting was begun by Alviarin. That the Greens were recalcitrant to Egwene's pleas for peace is because their Ajah Head was birched for a minimal crime, and this crime was apparently ratted out by women from other Ajahs. Childish and silly as their actions are, they are hardly unexpected. When Egwene sits with Ferane, one of the sisters with the White Ajah head is Black! Entirely too often, I'm certain that the Blacks reported slights and fights with other Ajahs, strengthening the walls between them and rendering the sense of women like Saerin useless.

Egwene had two great advantages over these women. She was an outsider, who brought much needed perspective to the Tower's situation. She saw the finished product, a broken Tower. These women were caught up in the breaking, never realizing where things were headed.

Two, she had mobility between all Ajahs, something these women lacked. Which is why she could speak to Ferane one minute, then speak to Suana so as to arrange a meeting between them.

I think any of the Rebels (okay, the more sensible ones) would and could have done exactly the same in Egwene's place. Cadsuane would probably have been even more effective, her exasperation with the idiocy of the Tower sisters forcing her into unconventional acts that would have been just as effective.

These women did not need great wisdom and intelligence to guide them to the right path. Just fresh perspective. and Egwene provided that.

As for the Seanchan attack... Egwene did not defeat them. But she did save the Tower. But for her and her efforts, the Tower would have been unable to save many sisters. They were enitrely unprepared, and did not have Travelling, like Egwene did.

For that, women like Saerin admire her, and rightly so.
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Egwene... one of the best characters in the series - 30/10/2009 07:45:11 AM 1384 Views
I so agree with you!! - 30/10/2009 08:24:53 AM 661 Views
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Agreed. *NM* - 31/10/2009 06:01:32 PM 292 Views
pompous - 31/10/2009 05:48:13 AM 580 Views
It sorta reminded me.. - 31/10/2009 06:02:22 AM 631 Views
Only two words - Mother Goddess ! - 31/10/2009 09:18:18 AM 581 Views
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It was all very impressive, yes. Unfortunately, it was *too* impressive and that makes it hollow. - 31/10/2009 06:16:03 PM 615 Views
Its been heading there, no? - 31/10/2009 10:47:13 PM 606 Views
It has, yes, but that doesn't make it realistic. - 01/11/2009 11:16:19 AM 936 Views
Re: It has, yes, but that doesn't make it realistic. - 05/11/2009 02:01:28 AM 646 Views
Re: It has, yes, but that doesn't make it realistic. - 05/11/2009 02:09:26 PM 671 Views
I agree with most of your post but I have a nitpick - 06/11/2009 02:08:31 AM 542 Views
Re: It has, yes, but that doesn't make it realistic. - 06/11/2009 05:57:12 AM 713 Views

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