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Countries are real, normal and natural things. The White Tower has no proven value. Cannoli Send a noteboard - 31/10/2009 06:52:48 AM
Because no one with even a shred of objectiveness in them, could discount what the Inn Keepers Daughter accomplished in this book.

Egwene took the fractured, corrupted mess that was the Aes Sedai before she arrived. She clensed the Black Ajah, and for the most part pulled all the various factions together.

Egwene took a group of channelers that before she arrived, was at best useless, and at worst a knife in Rand's back.

Egwene now has a group that can be a powerful weapon for Rand. She now has the Aes Sedai moving forward towards Tarmon Gai'don.


It's fine to hate a character, but to not acknowledge a clear accomplishment on several levels is appalling. I hate Elayne, but I didn't struggle to see the merit in her acquisition of the Sun Throne.
When was that, BTW? The only throne I know of her having is the Lion Throne. There is also the fact that she had the right to it under law, and gained it in the lawful manner. She did not rebel against the lawful (however incompetnat or obnoxious) ruler, divide the nation and re-arrange every situation in her mind to redound to her credit, or blackmail the people she was supposed to be protecting into following her commands. She is also careful to stick within established rule and law, but willing to make expedient changes to deal with the threats of the day. Egwene adheres to things because the Tower has always done them that way, but tramples over accepted rules and standards to suit her purposes and advance her cause.
Cannoli
“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Inde muagdhe Aes Sedai misain ye!
Deus Vult!
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Well Brandon Sanderson has officially killed off the last volume of the Epic Saga of the Chosen One. Cannoli - 30/10/2009 02:36:19 AM 2459 Views
Life in unfair, just let Egwene have it already. redhand - 30/10/2009 03:11:04 AM 863 Views
I skimmed cannoli's predictable rant. I disagree. I LOVED EVERY CHAPTER! Bookwyrm - 30/10/2009 03:29:24 AM 815 Views
Agreed! *NM* Mats imaginary friend - 30/10/2009 03:47:52 AM 508 Views
I liked her chapters. Mainly because they gave her something to do. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 30/10/2009 09:43:58 PM 733 Views
I adore Brandon Sanderson. Seriana Sedai - 30/10/2009 05:05:11 AM 842 Views
Me too Sidious - 30/10/2009 10:38:52 AM 899 Views
Exactly. Seriana Sedai - 30/10/2009 04:33:11 PM 751 Views
Re: I adore Brandon Sanderson. thebestrob - 30/10/2009 02:45:03 PM 915 Views
Re: I adore Brandon Sanderson. Seriana Sedai - 30/10/2009 04:34:53 PM 768 Views
I think he meant Cannoli, not you, Seriana. *NM* Bookwyrm - 30/10/2009 05:30:17 PM 443 Views
Ahhh. Seriana Sedai - 30/10/2009 09:15:14 PM 745 Views
Re: Ahhh. Bookwyrm - 31/10/2009 03:51:14 AM 750 Views
Re: Ahhh. Seriana Sedai - 01/11/2009 06:37:41 AM 768 Views
Ditto. Thought he was a breath of fresh air to the series. Asha'man - 30/10/2009 03:27:43 PM 727 Views
If renewal means someone grossly unfamiliar with the series, sure. Cannoli - 30/10/2009 06:26:19 PM 1254 Views
Everything up to tGS Cannoli - 30/10/2009 06:25:28 PM 954 Views
Re: Everything up to tGS Seriana Sedai - 30/10/2009 08:21:33 PM 933 Views
What on earth makes you think I dislike it? Cannoli - 31/10/2009 05:25:07 AM 839 Views
General impression lately I guess. Seriana Sedai - 31/10/2009 04:38:29 PM 776 Views
Re: General impression lately I guess. Cannoli - 31/10/2009 10:41:06 PM 778 Views
Thanks. Seriana Sedai - 01/11/2009 06:32:12 AM 855 Views
double post, hate my computer. Seriana Sedai - 30/10/2009 08:24:12 PM 850 Views
Don't agree completely but what I do want to see is Lord o' Salv - 30/10/2009 07:12:54 AM 761 Views
so I guess ... Bookwyrm - 30/10/2009 02:48:10 PM 950 Views
You want a friend like Mat TheCrownless - 30/10/2009 06:33:47 PM 746 Views
Yes, he will pull thru 4 u in the end, but Matt still needs to grow up. and fast *NM* Bookwyrm - 30/10/2009 07:32:28 PM 455 Views
How so? What does he do that is detrimentally immature? Cannoli - 01/11/2009 08:05:07 AM 764 Views
might I add.. urizen - 30/10/2009 08:30:24 AM 699 Views
Re: might I add.. Sidious - 30/10/2009 10:41:39 AM 790 Views
Re: might I add.. urizen - 30/10/2009 06:47:17 PM 799 Views
There is a difference between defending your home from attack TheCrownless - 31/10/2009 03:34:57 PM 717 Views
I sit somewhere in the middle, she's improved, but still many flaws ajfurst - 30/10/2009 11:35:47 AM 798 Views
Like others don't have flaws? Bookwyrm - 30/10/2009 02:58:08 PM 792 Views
EVERYTHING is handed to her on a platter! Cannoli - 30/10/2009 06:41:02 PM 813 Views
Touched a nerve did I? Bookwyrm - 30/10/2009 07:19:00 PM 905 Views
Re: Touched a nerve did I? thebestrob - 30/10/2009 07:24:41 PM 829 Views
Re: Touched a nerve did I? Bookwyrm - 30/10/2009 07:31:14 PM 889 Views
Re: Touched a nerve did I? Cannoli - 31/10/2009 06:36:33 AM 778 Views
Re: Touched a nerve did I? Sidious - 31/10/2009 09:33:34 AM 785 Views
And you aren't? Cannoli - 01/11/2009 12:42:50 AM 746 Views
Seems to me you're both right. Legolas - 01/11/2009 07:45:12 PM 730 Views
Bah Sidious - 30/10/2009 03:36:42 PM 823 Views
wait a sec... scalius - 30/10/2009 04:31:56 PM 891 Views
Now now! Let's take off the rose-tinted glasses for a minute. entyti - 30/10/2009 05:21:07 PM 722 Views
Actually, Elaida WILL reveal Traveling. We've seen countless times AS broken easily by the Seanchan. *NM* Bookwyrm - 30/10/2009 05:28:06 PM 423 Views
More than likely, but if anyone could avoid giving it up it would be stubborn, self rightous Elaida. Seriana Sedai - 30/10/2009 09:20:31 PM 621 Views
Re: Bah Cannoli - 30/10/2009 06:49:47 PM 852 Views
Rant on! Rant on! rho - 30/10/2009 12:54:16 PM 700 Views
Re: Rant on! Rant on! Bookwyrm - 30/10/2009 03:18:44 PM 753 Views
A personal question: Cannoli, are you threatened by a powerful woman? LTArmstrong - 30/10/2009 07:13:30 PM 832 Views
Obviously. Great Lord of Chaos - 31/10/2009 05:37:52 AM 715 Views
I'm afraid of the ooze left over when I take spam out of a can *shiver* *NM* Deadsy - 31/10/2009 05:39:03 AM 338 Views
Well... Sidious - 31/10/2009 05:56:56 AM 676 Views
Countries are real, normal and natural things. The White Tower has no proven value. Cannoli - 31/10/2009 06:52:48 AM 762 Views
Tar Valon is a nation Sidious - 31/10/2009 09:20:43 AM 748 Views
The Aes Sedai are not. The Tower as a whole rules the polity of Tar Valon. Cannoli - 31/10/2009 11:34:42 PM 850 Views
The "Elaida's election was illegal because of Black Ajah Sitters" is really an absurd argument Legolas - 01/11/2009 12:06:32 AM 811 Views
It wasn't absurd. Just clever... fionwe1987 - 01/11/2009 03:33:22 AM 841 Views
I wasn't saying the rebels had no cause for rebellion. Just that the election *was* legal. Legolas - 01/11/2009 10:38:59 AM 835 Views
Hmm..... Sidious - 06/11/2009 04:18:14 PM 692 Views
I take it she'll carefully avoid bringing up the war vote, then. *NM* Legolas - 08/11/2009 12:47:21 AM 322 Views
Not a problem... fionwe1987 - 08/11/2009 06:17:39 AM 757 Views
Are you blinded by a pair of teats? Cannoli - 31/10/2009 07:17:44 AM 921 Views
Re: Well Brandon Sanderson has officially killed off the last volume of the Epic Saga of the Chosen rho - 30/10/2009 11:38:24 PM 843 Views
The harbor chain incident was no less stupid because it helped her Deadsy - 31/10/2009 05:40:20 AM 702 Views
It must be embarassing to be on the same side as such dingbats. Cannoli - 31/10/2009 07:18:42 AM 833 Views
*snort* *NM* Deadsy - 31/10/2009 07:19:49 AM 443 Views
Re: It must be embarassing to be on the same side as such dingbats. Sidious - 31/10/2009 09:28:16 AM 820 Views
Don't expect rationality from Cannoli... fionwe1987 - 31/10/2009 02:01:45 PM 878 Views
Or logical trains of thought from fionwe1987.... Cannoli - 01/11/2009 01:07:06 AM 855 Views
Re: Or logical trains of thought from fionwe1987.... fionwe1987 - 01/11/2009 04:30:21 AM 846 Views
Re: Or logical trains of thought from fionwe1987.... Cannoli - 01/11/2009 08:41:58 AM 803 Views
Re: Or logical trains of thought from fionwe1987.... fionwe1987 - 05/11/2009 02:40:16 AM 771 Views
Re: It must be embarassing to be on the same side as such dingbats. Cannoli - 01/11/2009 12:31:10 AM 752 Views
I have one question Sidious - 01/11/2009 07:12:23 AM 793 Views
Capture, NOT kill, and she herself said the sa'angreal made that impossible. Cannoli - 01/11/2009 07:59:44 AM 780 Views
Capture OR kill Sidious - 01/11/2009 09:12:08 AM 824 Views
Re: The harbor chain incident was no less stupid because it helped her rho - 31/10/2009 04:31:29 PM 720 Views
Egwene isn't ta'veren Sidious - 31/10/2009 05:57:54 AM 730 Views
Re: Egwene isn't ta'veren rho - 31/10/2009 11:01:54 AM 717 Views
Events do seem to suggest otherwise. *NM* Legolas - 31/10/2009 04:40:42 PM 456 Views
I don't agree with all of that, but yes, Egwene's successes are a little too much. Legolas - 31/10/2009 04:30:32 PM 838 Views
I too wondered when exactly Elaida took an overdose of crazy pills Asha'man - 01/11/2009 06:46:16 AM 863 Views
I see Cannoll is still going strong about Egwene... Zeratul - 01/11/2009 08:40:17 PM 784 Views
There were a few instances in the book where Egwene really bothered me. Kronin al'Sulc - 02/11/2009 12:54:10 AM 733 Views
Egwene's always been a hypocrite Zeratul - 02/11/2009 02:06:58 PM 918 Views
Poor cannoli; give it a rest you ridiculous numsquatz NaClH2O - 07/11/2009 06:43:10 PM 687 Views
Yes, my long string of complaints about Sanderson has reached the limit. Cannoli - 09/11/2009 05:22:23 PM 740 Views
Re: Yes, my long string of complaints about Sanderson has reached the limit. Sidious - 10/11/2009 07:36:46 AM 879 Views
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