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Countries are real, normal and natural things. The White Tower has no proven value. Cannoli Send a noteboard - 31/10/2009 06:52:48 AM
Because no one with even a shred of objectiveness in them, could discount what the Inn Keepers Daughter accomplished in this book.

Egwene took the fractured, corrupted mess that was the Aes Sedai before she arrived. She clensed the Black Ajah, and for the most part pulled all the various factions together.

Egwene took a group of channelers that before she arrived, was at best useless, and at worst a knife in Rand's back.

Egwene now has a group that can be a powerful weapon for Rand. She now has the Aes Sedai moving forward towards Tarmon Gai'don.


It's fine to hate a character, but to not acknowledge a clear accomplishment on several levels is appalling. I hate Elayne, but I didn't struggle to see the merit in her acquisition of the Sun Throne.
When was that, BTW? The only throne I know of her having is the Lion Throne. There is also the fact that she had the right to it under law, and gained it in the lawful manner. She did not rebel against the lawful (however incompetnat or obnoxious) ruler, divide the nation and re-arrange every situation in her mind to redound to her credit, or blackmail the people she was supposed to be protecting into following her commands. She is also careful to stick within established rule and law, but willing to make expedient changes to deal with the threats of the day. Egwene adheres to things because the Tower has always done them that way, but tramples over accepted rules and standards to suit her purposes and advance her cause.
Cannoli
“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Inde muagdhe Aes Sedai misain ye!
Deus Vult!
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Well Brandon Sanderson has officially killed off the last volume of the Epic Saga of the Chosen One. Cannoli - 30/10/2009 02:36:19 AM 2445 Views
Life in unfair, just let Egwene have it already. redhand - 30/10/2009 03:11:04 AM 849 Views
I skimmed cannoli's predictable rant. I disagree. I LOVED EVERY CHAPTER! Bookwyrm - 30/10/2009 03:29:24 AM 803 Views
Agreed! *NM* Mats imaginary friend - 30/10/2009 03:47:52 AM 504 Views
I liked her chapters. Mainly because they gave her something to do. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 30/10/2009 09:43:58 PM 722 Views
I adore Brandon Sanderson. Seriana Sedai - 30/10/2009 05:05:11 AM 833 Views
Me too Sidious - 30/10/2009 10:38:52 AM 889 Views
Exactly. Seriana Sedai - 30/10/2009 04:33:11 PM 735 Views
Re: I adore Brandon Sanderson. thebestrob - 30/10/2009 02:45:03 PM 903 Views
Re: I adore Brandon Sanderson. Seriana Sedai - 30/10/2009 04:34:53 PM 755 Views
I think he meant Cannoli, not you, Seriana. *NM* Bookwyrm - 30/10/2009 05:30:17 PM 432 Views
Ahhh. Seriana Sedai - 30/10/2009 09:15:14 PM 729 Views
Re: Ahhh. Bookwyrm - 31/10/2009 03:51:14 AM 732 Views
Re: Ahhh. Seriana Sedai - 01/11/2009 06:37:41 AM 754 Views
Ditto. Thought he was a breath of fresh air to the series. Asha'man - 30/10/2009 03:27:43 PM 719 Views
If renewal means someone grossly unfamiliar with the series, sure. Cannoli - 30/10/2009 06:26:19 PM 1243 Views
Everything up to tGS Cannoli - 30/10/2009 06:25:28 PM 942 Views
Re: Everything up to tGS Seriana Sedai - 30/10/2009 08:21:33 PM 923 Views
What on earth makes you think I dislike it? Cannoli - 31/10/2009 05:25:07 AM 830 Views
General impression lately I guess. Seriana Sedai - 31/10/2009 04:38:29 PM 766 Views
Re: General impression lately I guess. Cannoli - 31/10/2009 10:41:06 PM 762 Views
Thanks. Seriana Sedai - 01/11/2009 06:32:12 AM 842 Views
double post, hate my computer. Seriana Sedai - 30/10/2009 08:24:12 PM 833 Views
Don't agree completely but what I do want to see is Lord o' Salv - 30/10/2009 07:12:54 AM 753 Views
so I guess ... Bookwyrm - 30/10/2009 02:48:10 PM 936 Views
You want a friend like Mat TheCrownless - 30/10/2009 06:33:47 PM 736 Views
Yes, he will pull thru 4 u in the end, but Matt still needs to grow up. and fast *NM* Bookwyrm - 30/10/2009 07:32:28 PM 450 Views
How so? What does he do that is detrimentally immature? Cannoli - 01/11/2009 08:05:07 AM 745 Views
might I add.. urizen - 30/10/2009 08:30:24 AM 684 Views
Re: might I add.. Sidious - 30/10/2009 10:41:39 AM 781 Views
Re: might I add.. urizen - 30/10/2009 06:47:17 PM 789 Views
There is a difference between defending your home from attack TheCrownless - 31/10/2009 03:34:57 PM 707 Views
I sit somewhere in the middle, she's improved, but still many flaws ajfurst - 30/10/2009 11:35:47 AM 782 Views
Like others don't have flaws? Bookwyrm - 30/10/2009 02:58:08 PM 777 Views
EVERYTHING is handed to her on a platter! Cannoli - 30/10/2009 06:41:02 PM 800 Views
Touched a nerve did I? Bookwyrm - 30/10/2009 07:19:00 PM 893 Views
Re: Touched a nerve did I? thebestrob - 30/10/2009 07:24:41 PM 817 Views
Re: Touched a nerve did I? Bookwyrm - 30/10/2009 07:31:14 PM 872 Views
Re: Touched a nerve did I? Cannoli - 31/10/2009 06:36:33 AM 763 Views
Re: Touched a nerve did I? Sidious - 31/10/2009 09:33:34 AM 771 Views
And you aren't? Cannoli - 01/11/2009 12:42:50 AM 737 Views
Seems to me you're both right. Legolas - 01/11/2009 07:45:12 PM 716 Views
Bah Sidious - 30/10/2009 03:36:42 PM 811 Views
wait a sec... scalius - 30/10/2009 04:31:56 PM 878 Views
Now now! Let's take off the rose-tinted glasses for a minute. entyti - 30/10/2009 05:21:07 PM 711 Views
Actually, Elaida WILL reveal Traveling. We've seen countless times AS broken easily by the Seanchan. *NM* Bookwyrm - 30/10/2009 05:28:06 PM 417 Views
More than likely, but if anyone could avoid giving it up it would be stubborn, self rightous Elaida. Seriana Sedai - 30/10/2009 09:20:31 PM 610 Views
Re: Bah Cannoli - 30/10/2009 06:49:47 PM 840 Views
Rant on! Rant on! rho - 30/10/2009 12:54:16 PM 689 Views
Re: Rant on! Rant on! Bookwyrm - 30/10/2009 03:18:44 PM 744 Views
A personal question: Cannoli, are you threatened by a powerful woman? LTArmstrong - 30/10/2009 07:13:30 PM 818 Views
Obviously. Great Lord of Chaos - 31/10/2009 05:37:52 AM 702 Views
I'm afraid of the ooze left over when I take spam out of a can *shiver* *NM* Deadsy - 31/10/2009 05:39:03 AM 331 Views
Well... Sidious - 31/10/2009 05:56:56 AM 665 Views
Countries are real, normal and natural things. The White Tower has no proven value. Cannoli - 31/10/2009 06:52:48 AM 748 Views
Tar Valon is a nation Sidious - 31/10/2009 09:20:43 AM 732 Views
The Aes Sedai are not. The Tower as a whole rules the polity of Tar Valon. Cannoli - 31/10/2009 11:34:42 PM 837 Views
The "Elaida's election was illegal because of Black Ajah Sitters" is really an absurd argument Legolas - 01/11/2009 12:06:32 AM 798 Views
It wasn't absurd. Just clever... fionwe1987 - 01/11/2009 03:33:22 AM 821 Views
I wasn't saying the rebels had no cause for rebellion. Just that the election *was* legal. Legolas - 01/11/2009 10:38:59 AM 825 Views
Hmm..... Sidious - 06/11/2009 04:18:14 PM 675 Views
I take it she'll carefully avoid bringing up the war vote, then. *NM* Legolas - 08/11/2009 12:47:21 AM 315 Views
Not a problem... fionwe1987 - 08/11/2009 06:17:39 AM 741 Views
Are you blinded by a pair of teats? Cannoli - 31/10/2009 07:17:44 AM 909 Views
Re: Well Brandon Sanderson has officially killed off the last volume of the Epic Saga of the Chosen rho - 30/10/2009 11:38:24 PM 832 Views
The harbor chain incident was no less stupid because it helped her Deadsy - 31/10/2009 05:40:20 AM 686 Views
It must be embarassing to be on the same side as such dingbats. Cannoli - 31/10/2009 07:18:42 AM 819 Views
*snort* *NM* Deadsy - 31/10/2009 07:19:49 AM 437 Views
Re: It must be embarassing to be on the same side as such dingbats. Sidious - 31/10/2009 09:28:16 AM 805 Views
Don't expect rationality from Cannoli... fionwe1987 - 31/10/2009 02:01:45 PM 867 Views
Or logical trains of thought from fionwe1987.... Cannoli - 01/11/2009 01:07:06 AM 839 Views
Re: Or logical trains of thought from fionwe1987.... fionwe1987 - 01/11/2009 04:30:21 AM 833 Views
Re: Or logical trains of thought from fionwe1987.... Cannoli - 01/11/2009 08:41:58 AM 783 Views
Re: Or logical trains of thought from fionwe1987.... fionwe1987 - 05/11/2009 02:40:16 AM 757 Views
Re: It must be embarassing to be on the same side as such dingbats. Cannoli - 01/11/2009 12:31:10 AM 737 Views
I have one question Sidious - 01/11/2009 07:12:23 AM 775 Views
Capture, NOT kill, and she herself said the sa'angreal made that impossible. Cannoli - 01/11/2009 07:59:44 AM 768 Views
Capture OR kill Sidious - 01/11/2009 09:12:08 AM 813 Views
Re: The harbor chain incident was no less stupid because it helped her rho - 31/10/2009 04:31:29 PM 704 Views
Egwene isn't ta'veren Sidious - 31/10/2009 05:57:54 AM 720 Views
Re: Egwene isn't ta'veren rho - 31/10/2009 11:01:54 AM 710 Views
Events do seem to suggest otherwise. *NM* Legolas - 31/10/2009 04:40:42 PM 449 Views
I don't agree with all of that, but yes, Egwene's successes are a little too much. Legolas - 31/10/2009 04:30:32 PM 822 Views
I too wondered when exactly Elaida took an overdose of crazy pills Asha'man - 01/11/2009 06:46:16 AM 848 Views
I see Cannoll is still going strong about Egwene... Zeratul - 01/11/2009 08:40:17 PM 772 Views
There were a few instances in the book where Egwene really bothered me. Kronin al'Sulc - 02/11/2009 12:54:10 AM 718 Views
Egwene's always been a hypocrite Zeratul - 02/11/2009 02:06:58 PM 904 Views
Poor cannoli; give it a rest you ridiculous numsquatz NaClH2O - 07/11/2009 06:43:10 PM 672 Views
Yes, my long string of complaints about Sanderson has reached the limit. Cannoli - 09/11/2009 05:22:23 PM 726 Views
Re: Yes, my long string of complaints about Sanderson has reached the limit. Sidious - 10/11/2009 07:36:46 AM 867 Views
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