Re: Cadsuane's comment (if true) attacks the credibility of your One Power Strength list
Sidious Send a noteboard - 31/10/2009 05:42:53 AM
As a matter of fact, I do have something to add. In your one power strength list you talked a lot about how many sisters it would take to shield or hold the shield on someone. I think everyone admits that the Ebou Dari girl (I forget her name) had a Talent for shielding.
I'm assuming this book has to have an effect on your one power list. For example, Rand was able to break through 3 sisters holding him at the end of LoC. But Semi can't even break through just one. That says a lot in my opinion.
What do you think about the following line of thinking: Can't a good argument be made that Semirhage is actually weaker than Mesaana and possibly even Nynaeve? By the way, I agree with you that Nynaeve is more powerful than Moghedien, at least now she is anyway. Umm...I think a good argument can be made that Semirhage had superior weaving skill compared to all of the other Forsaken women. The evidence of course is that only Demandred and Semi could stop a gateway from closing and of course Semi could heal better than anyone ever living or dead.
Semi's being weaker, in terms of one power quantity, fits with the obvious statement that only one person is needed to hold her.
It might be time to rethink your one power list and especially the portion you use for some of the justifications (e.g. how many sisters it would take to shield someone). It appears Semi could be held pretty easily compared to Rand. I think you have Rand at 100 and Lanfear at 85. You have to drop Semi down quite a bit, or else you have to alter your ideas about holding someone once they are shielded. They both cannot be right. The easiest would be to drop Semi down in one power strength, probably between Mesaana and Moghedien somewhere, but then say that Semi's dexterity/skill are what made her so powerful, not so much her actual strength in the power (although strength obviously plays a big part, just not as big as we thought in Semi's case).
What do you think? I know I've asked a lot of questions and thrown out a lot of ideas.
I'm assuming this book has to have an effect on your one power list. For example, Rand was able to break through 3 sisters holding him at the end of LoC. But Semi can't even break through just one. That says a lot in my opinion.
What do you think about the following line of thinking: Can't a good argument be made that Semirhage is actually weaker than Mesaana and possibly even Nynaeve? By the way, I agree with you that Nynaeve is more powerful than Moghedien, at least now she is anyway. Umm...I think a good argument can be made that Semirhage had superior weaving skill compared to all of the other Forsaken women. The evidence of course is that only Demandred and Semi could stop a gateway from closing and of course Semi could heal better than anyone ever living or dead.
Semi's being weaker, in terms of one power quantity, fits with the obvious statement that only one person is needed to hold her.
It might be time to rethink your one power list and especially the portion you use for some of the justifications (e.g. how many sisters it would take to shield someone). It appears Semi could be held pretty easily compared to Rand. I think you have Rand at 100 and Lanfear at 85. You have to drop Semi down quite a bit, or else you have to alter your ideas about holding someone once they are shielded. They both cannot be right. The easiest would be to drop Semi down in one power strength, probably between Mesaana and Moghedien somewhere, but then say that Semi's dexterity/skill are what made her so powerful, not so much her actual strength in the power (although strength obviously plays a big part, just not as big as we thought in Semi's case).
What do you think? I know I've asked a lot of questions and thrown out a lot of ideas.
I don't personally think that Semirhage could be weaker than Mesaana. Mesaana says that she matches up well with Semirhage, which is a Forsaken translation that Semirhage is a superior Forsaken channeler. If Mesaana had any true advantage on Semirhage (who frightens her), it would be mentioned without hesitation. As it is, it sounds like Mesaana is trying to reassure herself that her Talents make her equal to her opponent, though she probably isn't.
Nynaeve says that a weak woman can't hold her, which is why she's so shocked that Berowin can. Ironically Daigian is one of the Sisters that Cadsuane chooses to hold Semirhage, and she is very weak in the Power. Despite that, three Sisters do maintain the shield on her. We don't know if Cadsuane is correct. Cadsuane assumes that one Sister can hold any woman, but there is no evidence that Semirhage tried to break the shield. In all likelihood she did not, because it would be a short-lived victory. Cadsuane herself wonders about Semirhage's abilities and she is unsure of them, which is why she takes the shielding to three.
We actually know that Cadsuane is wrong, from Nynaeve's statement. When the Black ajah took Nynaeve, they linked to hold her shield, so it further strengthens that opinion. Two could probably hold Semirhage, and you'd need three or four for Graendal/Lanfear. You probably need more strength to hold the opposite sex, which is why you need six to hold a man like Rand or Logain.
We'll never know Semirhage's strength I guess.
Wheel of Time board admin
Fan of Lanfear
Fan of Lanfear
Female Forsaken strength in the Power
- 30/10/2009 03:45:18 PM
958 Views
Cadsuane's comment (if true) attacks the credibility of your One Power Strength list
- 30/10/2009 05:26:16 PM
561 Views
Re: Cadsuane's comment (if true) attacks the credibility of your One Power Strength list
- 31/10/2009 05:42:53 AM
598 Views
I almost said "/comfort (but not the Min/Rand way)" *NM*
It is easier for channelers of the same gender to hold each other.
- 05/11/2009 05:25:30 PM
396 Views