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Touched a nerve did I? Bookwyrm Send a noteboard - 30/10/2009 07:19:00 PM
What HASN'T been handed to her on a platter? If she hadn't been associated with Rand, she'd not have left the Tower in tGH and would not have been chosen to hunt the Black Ajah or skip the years of training before being allow to test for Accepted. If not for those events, she'd NEVER have been chosen Amyrlin for another century or so, and would not have been Aes Sedai anytime soon. She was summoned and named Amyrlin. She did not put in any time or effort, she didn't even earn the shawl before she was given it with the Amyrlin seat, which was given to her not in appreciation of her virtues, but in recognition of her shortcomings. She was handed a blackmailed advisor to help her overcome her instincts that would have had her deposed or bound hand and foot to Romanda or Lelaine. She was handled a captive Forsaken to enable her to produce discoveries to impress the sisters. She had Verin show up and hand her a list of the Black Ajah, she had followers come into the Tower to rescue her when she was wiped out from the battle, and then the real Hall decides to name her Amyrlin because they can't stand one another. She has not contributed anything to anyone related to the cause of the fight against the Shadow, aside from the White Tower. Rand's advice that helped her figure out how to Travel was far more help than she ever gave him. Egwene has been handed EVERYTHING because she happens to know people with real power and accomplishments whose idea of loyalty and friendship is far stronger than her own.

You can easily blame those "platters" as results of things unravelling in the world so quickly as well as people manipulating her destiny . Yes, her association with Rand got her a fact ticket out of Novice whites into Accepted dresses, but you know what, she passed the test! She went through the rings just like every1 else and came back out whole and stronger. She learned weaves faster than any novice previously recruited. She was trained for a very short period of time before being tested for Accepted. And she was summoned to be the puppet Amyrlin, and she knew this. She turned it around on her manipulators however. She didn't earn her shawl or put in the time or effort? ROFL, I am now doubting you even read the books at all! Siuan herself trained her in history, politics, and shit. She was appointed Amyrlin as a clueless bumpkin, but she didn't fully become Amyrlin until she learned every law, history, and traditions of Aes Sedai. Even then it wasn't official because she was chosen by rebels and not enough official Sitters! She was handed a Forsaken to be taught secret weaves? You think Moghedien just rolled over for them? NO! Nynaeve captured her and rightly turned her over for questioning? She ran with Maidens, she sat with Wise Ones, and she was accepted as a bond-sister.

As for Verin appearing and handing her the list, WHO ELSE WAS SHE GOING TO HAND THE LIST TO. Wow, are you dense? You think Verin could trust anyone besides Egwene during that situation in the WT? The WT was at a crisis point where it could break. You think Verin could have stopped the Black Ajah by herself?

And you're blaming Egwene's rescue as a platter handed to her?!?!? Siuan and Gawyn were genuinely concerned and RIGHTLY went after her, against her orders mind you. Cheese and rice.

What about her time spent training with the Aiel. You think she could have endured her capture by the WT w/o it? She put blood, sweat and tears into her training. If the Aiel trust her and make here their own, then that says something about her character.

WHAT is handed to him on a platter? Money? So what? He has had to pay for everything. He got the Band because he saved their lives and proved his leadership by defeating Aiel in multiple engagements. Name a wetlander general who had done that before Mat. And his luck works mainly to force him into danger to get things done. The goodies that come along are just to balance having buildings dropped on his head, or the leader of the Shaido trying to carve a path through Mat's troops, or evil daggers giving him brain damage, or the Horn of Valere painting a massive target on his back. Additionally, Mat doesn't WANT power or glory (as he proved by blowing the Horn), whereas Egwene does.

He got the Band by rescuing them with knowledge and skills that he hasn't earned. You think Mat would have been able to lead the Band as successfully without the "gifts" he received from the Eelfinn and his ta'averen luck??!? HELL NO! The Pattern bends over for him and whoever is around him, so don't tell me he earns almost everything. Egwene doesn't have that luxury. Everything that has happened to her outside the vicinity of her ta'averen friends were coincidental or through her own choices and efforts or by the manipulation of others. Egwene had no real control over her own destiny until she has real political power.

Egwene wants power and glory? really? I never got that impression from her during her POVs. Her thoughts and actions clearly reveal her genuine concern for the WT, its habitants, and the welfare of her friends. Lets see what would happen without Egwene's efforts in restoring/leading the WT. Rand won't ally himself with the WT. The WT will be shattered by the Black Ajah.

Blow it out your ass. That is a stupid and reflexively thoughtless argument that proves you only don't

You know what, I did blow it out my ass, and into your ignorant thread/face. And let me tell you, it felt good. You insult me without provocation over a rant over a fictional character, revealing yourself a fool. Eat my ghost poop, and like it!

BOHICA - Go ahead, ask me what it means.
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Well Brandon Sanderson has officially killed off the last volume of the Epic Saga of the Chosen One. - 30/10/2009 02:36:19 AM 2527 Views
Life in unfair, just let Egwene have it already. - 30/10/2009 03:11:04 AM 918 Views
I skimmed cannoli's predictable rant. I disagree. I LOVED EVERY CHAPTER! - 30/10/2009 03:29:24 AM 888 Views
Agreed! *NM* - 30/10/2009 03:47:52 AM 533 Views
I liked her chapters. Mainly because they gave her something to do. - 30/10/2009 09:43:58 PM 794 Views
I adore Brandon Sanderson. - 30/10/2009 05:05:11 AM 902 Views
Me too - 30/10/2009 10:38:52 AM 959 Views
Exactly. - 30/10/2009 04:33:11 PM 804 Views
Re: I adore Brandon Sanderson. - 30/10/2009 02:45:03 PM 981 Views
Re: I adore Brandon Sanderson. - 30/10/2009 04:34:53 PM 833 Views
I think he meant Cannoli, not you, Seriana. *NM* - 30/10/2009 05:30:17 PM 465 Views
Ahhh. - 30/10/2009 09:15:14 PM 812 Views
Re: Ahhh. - 31/10/2009 03:51:14 AM 800 Views
Re: Ahhh. - 01/11/2009 06:37:41 AM 835 Views
Ditto. Thought he was a breath of fresh air to the series. - 30/10/2009 03:27:43 PM 787 Views
If renewal means someone grossly unfamiliar with the series, sure. - 30/10/2009 06:26:19 PM 1315 Views
Everything up to tGS - 30/10/2009 06:25:28 PM 1016 Views
Re: Everything up to tGS - 30/10/2009 08:21:33 PM 995 Views
What on earth makes you think I dislike it? - 31/10/2009 05:25:07 AM 904 Views
General impression lately I guess. - 31/10/2009 04:38:29 PM 811 Views
Re: General impression lately I guess. - 31/10/2009 10:41:06 PM 841 Views
Thanks. - 01/11/2009 06:32:12 AM 924 Views
double post, hate my computer. - 30/10/2009 08:24:12 PM 912 Views
Don't agree completely but what I do want to see is - 30/10/2009 07:12:54 AM 792 Views
so I guess ... - 30/10/2009 02:48:10 PM 1011 Views
You want a friend like Mat - 30/10/2009 06:33:47 PM 804 Views
might I add.. - 30/10/2009 08:30:24 AM 759 Views
Re: might I add.. - 30/10/2009 10:41:39 AM 858 Views
Re: might I add.. - 30/10/2009 06:47:17 PM 871 Views
There is a difference between defending your home from attack - 31/10/2009 03:34:57 PM 786 Views
I sit somewhere in the middle, she's improved, but still many flaws - 30/10/2009 11:35:47 AM 859 Views
Like others don't have flaws? - 30/10/2009 02:58:08 PM 852 Views
EVERYTHING is handed to her on a platter! - 30/10/2009 06:41:02 PM 883 Views
Touched a nerve did I? - 30/10/2009 07:19:00 PM 980 Views
Re: Touched a nerve did I? - 30/10/2009 07:24:41 PM 890 Views
Re: Touched a nerve did I? - 30/10/2009 07:31:14 PM 948 Views
Re: Touched a nerve did I? - 31/10/2009 06:36:33 AM 813 Views
Re: Touched a nerve did I? - 31/10/2009 09:33:34 AM 854 Views
And you aren't? - 01/11/2009 12:42:50 AM 806 Views
Seems to me you're both right. - 01/11/2009 07:45:12 PM 798 Views
Bah - 30/10/2009 03:36:42 PM 880 Views
wait a sec... - 30/10/2009 04:31:56 PM 956 Views
Now now! Let's take off the rose-tinted glasses for a minute. - 30/10/2009 05:21:07 PM 777 Views
Re: Bah - 30/10/2009 06:49:47 PM 918 Views
Rant on! Rant on! - 30/10/2009 12:54:16 PM 760 Views
Re: Rant on! Rant on! - 30/10/2009 03:18:44 PM 815 Views
A personal question: Cannoli, are you threatened by a powerful woman? - 30/10/2009 07:13:30 PM 902 Views
Obviously. - 31/10/2009 05:37:52 AM 774 Views
Well... - 31/10/2009 05:56:56 AM 728 Views
Countries are real, normal and natural things. The White Tower has no proven value. - 31/10/2009 06:52:48 AM 827 Views
Tar Valon is a nation - 31/10/2009 09:20:43 AM 805 Views
The "Elaida's election was illegal because of Black Ajah Sitters" is really an absurd argument - 01/11/2009 12:06:32 AM 877 Views
It wasn't absurd. Just clever... - 01/11/2009 03:33:22 AM 907 Views
I wasn't saying the rebels had no cause for rebellion. Just that the election *was* legal. - 01/11/2009 10:38:59 AM 898 Views
Hmm..... - 06/11/2009 04:18:14 PM 748 Views
I take it she'll carefully avoid bringing up the war vote, then. *NM* - 08/11/2009 12:47:21 AM 352 Views
Not a problem... - 08/11/2009 06:17:39 AM 829 Views
Are you blinded by a pair of teats? - 31/10/2009 07:17:44 AM 974 Views
Re: Well Brandon Sanderson has officially killed off the last volume of the Epic Saga of the Chosen - 30/10/2009 11:38:24 PM 906 Views
The harbor chain incident was no less stupid because it helped her - 31/10/2009 05:40:20 AM 759 Views
It must be embarassing to be on the same side as such dingbats. - 31/10/2009 07:18:42 AM 905 Views
*snort* *NM* - 31/10/2009 07:19:49 AM 466 Views
Re: It must be embarassing to be on the same side as such dingbats. - 31/10/2009 09:28:16 AM 877 Views
Don't expect rationality from Cannoli... - 31/10/2009 02:01:45 PM 943 Views
Or logical trains of thought from fionwe1987.... - 01/11/2009 01:07:06 AM 917 Views
Re: Or logical trains of thought from fionwe1987.... - 01/11/2009 04:30:21 AM 904 Views
Re: Or logical trains of thought from fionwe1987.... - 01/11/2009 08:41:58 AM 875 Views
Re: Or logical trains of thought from fionwe1987.... - 05/11/2009 02:40:16 AM 843 Views
Re: It must be embarassing to be on the same side as such dingbats. - 01/11/2009 12:31:10 AM 818 Views
I have one question - 01/11/2009 07:12:23 AM 857 Views
Capture, NOT kill, and she herself said the sa'angreal made that impossible. - 01/11/2009 07:59:44 AM 838 Views
Capture OR kill - 01/11/2009 09:12:08 AM 891 Views
Egwene isn't ta'veren - 31/10/2009 05:57:54 AM 762 Views
Re: Egwene isn't ta'veren - 31/10/2009 11:01:54 AM 782 Views
Events do seem to suggest otherwise. *NM* - 31/10/2009 04:40:42 PM 488 Views
I see Cannoll is still going strong about Egwene... - 01/11/2009 08:40:17 PM 847 Views
There were a few instances in the book where Egwene really bothered me. - 02/11/2009 12:54:10 AM 803 Views
Egwene's always been a hypocrite - 02/11/2009 02:06:58 PM 979 Views

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