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Re: True Power, Ilyena, and significance of the Choedan Kal LoialT Send a noteboard - 30/10/2009 03:28:06 PM
OK - a bit of a mixed bag here, but first post here since wotmania so forgive me. ;)

So we now know that Rand has access to the True Power - what do you think is the significance of it? I'm thinking something along the lines of:

1. True Power could be used to replace Saidin as the power that "touched the dark one" when sealing him back up.

2. True Power could be used to kill the Dark One altogether as Rand seems to be considering more in this book.

3. It's just there to show how close Rand was getting to the Dark One himself. i.e. more like Moridin every day.


I was thinking much the same thing as point 1, but I am not so sure after further considering. If Rand used the TP to defeat the Dark One it would seem like a kind of betrayal of himself and the light, much like the Shadar Logothesque "victory at any cost" that was so plaguing him through this book. Is it possible that the TP is not inherently evil?

But as you point out below, Callandor seems rather significant. Now, we know (or at least I thought we did) that Callandor is flawed in that it can't be properly controlled by a single man AND (correct me if I'm wrong) it amplifies the effect of the taint. After tGS I wasn't sure if the taint amplification was revealed to have been a misinterpretation of the flaw, but if not, then perhaps it could be used as a TP sa'angreal? If it amplifies the taint, which most believe was the TP in some form, then perhaps it would amplify the TP even more. If this is true, then perhaps Rand in channelling the TP will surrender the actual weaving to the two women with him (Alivia and someone else, I am guessing) so that the overwhelming temptation and evil of the TP will be properly controlled. This is the kind of selflessness that the DO wouldn't think of, the kind of loophole that Verin found to turn the DO's own power back against him. I do believe that so much TP will kill Rand and so Alivia will help Rand die. I wonder who the other woman would be.

Of course, it also occurred to me that Elayne and Aviendha would be good candidates for channelers rand would trust to surrender to.

Also - during Rand's epiphany when he's questioning why he's fighting, he comes onto the subject of love, and how he's doing this all again to have a second chance. He mentions that "she might have been reborn". which i took to mean Ilyena. What do you think the significance of this is? Could it go back to the old theory that Ilyena was reborn into three bodies (i.e. Avi, Elayne and Min?). Or just musing on Rand's part?

and now that the Choedan Kal is gone, the importance of the chapter where Min and Caddy are talking about the Callandor are more clear. But Rand's clearly going to need that kind of power in the battle with the dark one - why destroy the Choedan Kal? Was it just Rand's way to showing that he shouldn't have that kind of power so readily available? Or do you think there was some other significance?



About the destruction of the Choedan Kal, btw that scene had an amazingly powerful visual and cinematic energy for me, I am still mulling things over. Why destroy an obviously potent weapon? With it gone there are only two sa'angreal remaining that we know of (IIRC), Callandor and Vora's flute. The Light clearly has the overwhelming advantage in channelers and so angreal and sa'angreal may in some ways be more dangerous than helpful if the Shadow should obtain any, ESPECIALLY one such as the Choedan Kal, which we know they have lusted after. But I do wonder, is it more than that? The final moment describes the actual sa'angreal as even more powerful than anything being channeled through the access key, so perhaps it was actually too powerful for the pattern to deal with. Much to think about and thanks for your post!!

LoialT :]
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True Power, Ilyena, and significance of the Choedan Kal - 30/10/2009 02:57:09 PM 2788 Views
Re: True Power, Ilyena, and significance of the Choedan Kal - 30/10/2009 03:05:52 PM 990 Views
I agree with you - 30/10/2009 03:24:22 PM 1108 Views
don't forget you can't touch the true power without the DO's permission - 30/10/2009 03:31:25 PM 947 Views
I think he will overlook it - 30/10/2009 03:46:25 PM 922 Views
It also might be that Rand used Moridin as a conduit, making the DO's permission irrelevant. - 30/10/2009 03:58:04 PM 876 Views
Indeed... Moridin is definitely worried about the connection - 30/10/2009 03:59:59 PM 978 Views
Right - 30/10/2009 04:06:26 PM 1076 Views
Seems to me destroying the DO with balefire would take a force equal to his. - 06/11/2009 09:57:47 AM 719 Views
Re: True Power, Ilyena, and significance of the Choedan Kal - 30/10/2009 03:28:06 PM 2050 Views
Re: True Power, Ilyena, and significance of the Choedan Kal - 30/10/2009 03:36:00 PM 1037 Views
Re: True Power, Ilyena, and significance of the Choedan Kal - 30/10/2009 09:48:46 PM 861 Views
where'd you get the number of Rand's Asha'man? - 30/10/2009 10:12:00 PM 735 Views
Re: where'd you get the number of Rand's Asha'man? - 31/10/2009 12:28:48 AM 749 Views
I must be confused then - 30/10/2009 06:11:38 PM 829 Views
No... you're right. - 30/10/2009 07:02:05 PM 788 Views
Hello! The TP can only be used with permission! - 30/10/2009 10:45:58 PM 873 Views
Nope - 31/10/2009 05:18:03 AM 1260 Views
I'm sorry that's wrong... - 31/10/2009 08:58:14 AM 790 Views
Believe what you want - 31/10/2009 09:08:52 AM 794 Views
No, he's right - 31/10/2009 04:59:34 PM 925 Views
That's what I said *NM* - 31/10/2009 05:24:55 PM 382 Views
I don't need your permission for that... - 31/10/2009 09:57:34 PM 727 Views
Re: I don't need your permission for that... - 01/11/2009 06:54:20 AM 722 Views
You are incorrect - 27/12/2009 10:44:36 PM 724 Views
you're counting on the DO of being absent minded? - 17/04/2010 10:59:41 PM 685 Views
I think using the TP against the DO is wishful thinking. - 31/10/2009 04:33:33 PM 798 Views
Generally agree. - 06/11/2009 09:07:57 AM 838 Views

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