Re: True Power, Ilyena, and significance of the Choedan Kal
LoialT Send a noteboard - 30/10/2009 03:28:06 PM
OK - a bit of a mixed bag here, but first post here since wotmania so forgive me.
So we now know that Rand has access to the True Power - what do you think is the significance of it? I'm thinking something along the lines of:
1. True Power could be used to replace Saidin as the power that "touched the dark one" when sealing him back up.
2. True Power could be used to kill the Dark One altogether as Rand seems to be considering more in this book.
3. It's just there to show how close Rand was getting to the Dark One himself. i.e. more like Moridin every day.
So we now know that Rand has access to the True Power - what do you think is the significance of it? I'm thinking something along the lines of:
1. True Power could be used to replace Saidin as the power that "touched the dark one" when sealing him back up.
2. True Power could be used to kill the Dark One altogether as Rand seems to be considering more in this book.
3. It's just there to show how close Rand was getting to the Dark One himself. i.e. more like Moridin every day.
I was thinking much the same thing as point 1, but I am not so sure after further considering. If Rand used the TP to defeat the Dark One it would seem like a kind of betrayal of himself and the light, much like the Shadar Logothesque "victory at any cost" that was so plaguing him through this book. Is it possible that the TP is not inherently evil?
But as you point out below, Callandor seems rather significant. Now, we know (or at least I thought we did) that Callandor is flawed in that it can't be properly controlled by a single man AND (correct me if I'm wrong) it amplifies the effect of the taint. After tGS I wasn't sure if the taint amplification was revealed to have been a misinterpretation of the flaw, but if not, then perhaps it could be used as a TP sa'angreal? If it amplifies the taint, which most believe was the TP in some form, then perhaps it would amplify the TP even more. If this is true, then perhaps Rand in channelling the TP will surrender the actual weaving to the two women with him (Alivia and someone else, I am guessing) so that the overwhelming temptation and evil of the TP will be properly controlled. This is the kind of selflessness that the DO wouldn't think of, the kind of loophole that Verin found to turn the DO's own power back against him. I do believe that so much TP will kill Rand and so Alivia will help Rand die. I wonder who the other woman would be.
Of course, it also occurred to me that Elayne and Aviendha would be good candidates for channelers rand would trust to surrender to.
Also - during Rand's epiphany when he's questioning why he's fighting, he comes onto the subject of love, and how he's doing this all again to have a second chance. He mentions that "she might have been reborn". which i took to mean Ilyena. What do you think the significance of this is? Could it go back to the old theory that Ilyena was reborn into three bodies (i.e. Avi, Elayne and Min?). Or just musing on Rand's part?
and now that the Choedan Kal is gone, the importance of the chapter where Min and Caddy are talking about the Callandor are more clear. But Rand's clearly going to need that kind of power in the battle with the dark one - why destroy the Choedan Kal? Was it just Rand's way to showing that he shouldn't have that kind of power so readily available? Or do you think there was some other significance?
and now that the Choedan Kal is gone, the importance of the chapter where Min and Caddy are talking about the Callandor are more clear. But Rand's clearly going to need that kind of power in the battle with the dark one - why destroy the Choedan Kal? Was it just Rand's way to showing that he shouldn't have that kind of power so readily available? Or do you think there was some other significance?
About the destruction of the Choedan Kal, btw that scene had an amazingly powerful visual and cinematic energy for me, I am still mulling things over. Why destroy an obviously potent weapon? With it gone there are only two sa'angreal remaining that we know of (IIRC), Callandor and Vora's flute. The Light clearly has the overwhelming advantage in channelers and so angreal and sa'angreal may in some ways be more dangerous than helpful if the Shadow should obtain any, ESPECIALLY one such as the Choedan Kal, which we know they have lusted after. But I do wonder, is it more than that? The final moment describes the actual sa'angreal as even more powerful than anything being channeled through the access key, so perhaps it was actually too powerful for the pattern to deal with. Much to think about and thanks for your post!!
LoialT
True Power, Ilyena, and significance of the Choedan Kal
30/10/2009 02:57:09 PM
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I agree with you
30/10/2009 03:24:22 PM
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don't forget you can't touch the true power without the DO's permission
30/10/2009 03:31:25 PM
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I think he will overlook it
30/10/2009 03:46:25 PM
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It also might be that Rand used Moridin as a conduit, making the DO's permission irrelevant.
30/10/2009 03:58:04 PM
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Indeed... Moridin is definitely worried about the connection
30/10/2009 03:59:59 PM
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Right
30/10/2009 04:06:26 PM
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i agree it was def in the DO's best interests to give it to rand THEN, just not when....
30/10/2009 05:57:03 PM
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Seems to me destroying the DO with balefire would take a force equal to his.
06/11/2009 09:57:47 AM
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I think the TP IS the DO - sealing the Bore with it is illogical and impossible.
27/11/2009 12:13:29 AM
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Re: True Power, Ilyena, and significance of the Choedan Kal
30/10/2009 03:28:06 PM
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Re: True Power, Ilyena, and significance of the Choedan Kal
30/10/2009 03:36:00 PM
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Re: True Power, Ilyena, and significance of the Choedan Kal
30/10/2009 09:48:46 PM
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Hello! The TP can only be used with permission!
30/10/2009 10:45:58 PM
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Nope
31/10/2009 05:18:03 AM
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I'm sorry that's wrong...
31/10/2009 08:58:14 AM
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Believe what you want
31/10/2009 09:08:52 AM
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The Foresaken had their permission revoked, but the DO can enact consequences on them...
29/04/2010 04:35:27 AM
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