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I adore Brandon Sanderson. Seriana Sedai Send a noteboard - 30/10/2009 05:05:11 AM
His portrayal of Egwene at the end of the fight against the Seanchan has rendered it impossible. How do you parody-by-exaggeration a character as self-glorifying as she is? "I was a burning warrior, a hero called by the Horn." Because with overwhelming firepower, while standing on firm ground, she did some damage to people with much less firepower on the backs of flying creatures. Given the advantages she enjoyed in that fight, her performance was no more than could be expected. And she thinks that for doing what anyone in her position would have, or at least should have, she is heroic? Much less one of the greatest heroes of all time? She honestly believes that smacking away some people who came into her home (a feral animal is usually capable of rising to such a challenge) is heroic?

Of course, that probably says something about the Aes Sedai or Egwene that such a basic level of competence is praiseworthy. Hell, Saerin displayed better leadership! All Egwene did was find the big gun. She didn't lead the novices in anything more than making them into ambulatory magazines. She dispatched the most Seanchan because she had the big gun, and was the biggest threat, which the Seanchan professional soldiers naturally gravitated to. She killed the most because she had the power to do so, and because that drew them to her. She "drove them off" when they never had any intention of staying. By any standard their raid was a massive success, and NO ONE is a hero when the time and place of their triumph is called the worst day in the history of their side!

Compare and contrast Rand in tPoD with Callandor to Egwene in tGS with the rod. Rand is held as a hubristic failure because he killed some of his cannon fodder, but he genuinely stopped the Seanchan advance (with actual ground troops capable of conquering and holding territory) and seriously hurt them, in a defeat for which Tuon reprimands Suroth, and Semirhage in attempting to defend her can only say that she won't make that mistake again. Egwene on the other hand, is just as arrogant and bloodthirsty about butchering other non-Shadow people, except she does NOT provably or demonstrably stop them, and their operation, by the terms they set when planning it, is a spectacular success (and a success because Egwene made the secret of Traveling vulnerable in the first place - had she not been stupid enough to get involved in the harbor chain operation, the Seanchan would not have caught a single damane who could channel, and even if every Seanchan made it home safe but the Bloodknives, with a hundred damane, that would have been a far less successful operation than what actually happened! ).

So, a recap - Rand is upset and portrayed as a failure despite achieving his objective, because of impossibly high expectations based on his prior success in battle. Egwene is elated and pround of herself and viewed & portrayed as spectacularly successful and heroic, when those she fought consider their achievement worth the risk of the force they sent and still manage to bring most of their force home again, and those she "saved" experience "one of the greatest disasters in the history of the Aes Sedai." How do you mock that perception? I guess Sanderson found the only way to stop me - he outdid my parody in ridiculousness.

Cannoli, I want to ask a legitimate question that can sound bitchy in just the printed text. I truly don't mean it that way, so please take it in the spirit it is intended. I am curious why you read these books. I am genuinely interested to know what you find positive about them. It shouldn't make me wonder so much about someone else, but all we hear is the negative. I mean hey, post what you feel, but whenever I read it I can't help but wonder.
You can tell me to keep my questions to myself if you want, but I don't ask it the mean way it could be read. :)
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Well Brandon Sanderson has officially killed off the last volume of the Epic Saga of the Chosen One. - 30/10/2009 02:36:19 AM 2546 Views
Life in unfair, just let Egwene have it already. - 30/10/2009 03:11:04 AM 935 Views
I skimmed cannoli's predictable rant. I disagree. I LOVED EVERY CHAPTER! - 30/10/2009 03:29:24 AM 906 Views
Agreed! *NM* - 30/10/2009 03:47:52 AM 545 Views
I liked her chapters. Mainly because they gave her something to do. - 30/10/2009 09:43:58 PM 814 Views
I adore Brandon Sanderson. - 30/10/2009 05:05:11 AM 920 Views
Me too - 30/10/2009 10:38:52 AM 976 Views
Exactly. - 30/10/2009 04:33:11 PM 822 Views
Re: I adore Brandon Sanderson. - 30/10/2009 02:45:03 PM 999 Views
Re: I adore Brandon Sanderson. - 30/10/2009 04:34:53 PM 852 Views
I think he meant Cannoli, not you, Seriana. *NM* - 30/10/2009 05:30:17 PM 473 Views
Ahhh. - 30/10/2009 09:15:14 PM 829 Views
Re: Ahhh. - 31/10/2009 03:51:14 AM 821 Views
Re: Ahhh. - 01/11/2009 06:37:41 AM 854 Views
Ditto. Thought he was a breath of fresh air to the series. - 30/10/2009 03:27:43 PM 803 Views
If renewal means someone grossly unfamiliar with the series, sure. - 30/10/2009 06:26:19 PM 1333 Views
Everything up to tGS - 30/10/2009 06:25:28 PM 1035 Views
Re: Everything up to tGS - 30/10/2009 08:21:33 PM 1015 Views
What on earth makes you think I dislike it? - 31/10/2009 05:25:07 AM 925 Views
General impression lately I guess. - 31/10/2009 04:38:29 PM 830 Views
Re: General impression lately I guess. - 31/10/2009 10:41:06 PM 859 Views
Thanks. - 01/11/2009 06:32:12 AM 945 Views
double post, hate my computer. - 30/10/2009 08:24:12 PM 929 Views
Don't agree completely but what I do want to see is - 30/10/2009 07:12:54 AM 808 Views
so I guess ... - 30/10/2009 02:48:10 PM 1028 Views
You want a friend like Mat - 30/10/2009 06:33:47 PM 822 Views
might I add.. - 30/10/2009 08:30:24 AM 778 Views
Re: might I add.. - 30/10/2009 10:41:39 AM 879 Views
Re: might I add.. - 30/10/2009 06:47:17 PM 888 Views
There is a difference between defending your home from attack - 31/10/2009 03:34:57 PM 808 Views
I sit somewhere in the middle, she's improved, but still many flaws - 30/10/2009 11:35:47 AM 881 Views
Like others don't have flaws? - 30/10/2009 02:58:08 PM 872 Views
EVERYTHING is handed to her on a platter! - 30/10/2009 06:41:02 PM 904 Views
Touched a nerve did I? - 30/10/2009 07:19:00 PM 995 Views
Re: Touched a nerve did I? - 30/10/2009 07:24:41 PM 911 Views
Re: Touched a nerve did I? - 30/10/2009 07:31:14 PM 969 Views
Re: Touched a nerve did I? - 31/10/2009 06:36:33 AM 830 Views
Re: Touched a nerve did I? - 31/10/2009 09:33:34 AM 874 Views
And you aren't? - 01/11/2009 12:42:50 AM 823 Views
Seems to me you're both right. - 01/11/2009 07:45:12 PM 819 Views
Bah - 30/10/2009 03:36:42 PM 898 Views
wait a sec... - 30/10/2009 04:31:56 PM 973 Views
Now now! Let's take off the rose-tinted glasses for a minute. - 30/10/2009 05:21:07 PM 800 Views
Re: Bah - 30/10/2009 06:49:47 PM 936 Views
Rant on! Rant on! - 30/10/2009 12:54:16 PM 778 Views
Re: Rant on! Rant on! - 30/10/2009 03:18:44 PM 834 Views
A personal question: Cannoli, are you threatened by a powerful woman? - 30/10/2009 07:13:30 PM 920 Views
Obviously. - 31/10/2009 05:37:52 AM 792 Views
Well... - 31/10/2009 05:56:56 AM 748 Views
Countries are real, normal and natural things. The White Tower has no proven value. - 31/10/2009 06:52:48 AM 848 Views
Tar Valon is a nation - 31/10/2009 09:20:43 AM 823 Views
The "Elaida's election was illegal because of Black Ajah Sitters" is really an absurd argument - 01/11/2009 12:06:32 AM 923 Views
It wasn't absurd. Just clever... - 01/11/2009 03:33:22 AM 924 Views
I wasn't saying the rebels had no cause for rebellion. Just that the election *was* legal. - 01/11/2009 10:38:59 AM 921 Views
Hmm..... - 06/11/2009 04:18:14 PM 766 Views
I take it she'll carefully avoid bringing up the war vote, then. *NM* - 08/11/2009 12:47:21 AM 360 Views
Not a problem... - 08/11/2009 06:17:39 AM 847 Views
Are you blinded by a pair of teats? - 31/10/2009 07:17:44 AM 992 Views
Re: Well Brandon Sanderson has officially killed off the last volume of the Epic Saga of the Chosen - 30/10/2009 11:38:24 PM 925 Views
The harbor chain incident was no less stupid because it helped her - 31/10/2009 05:40:20 AM 778 Views
It must be embarassing to be on the same side as such dingbats. - 31/10/2009 07:18:42 AM 921 Views
*snort* *NM* - 31/10/2009 07:19:49 AM 472 Views
Re: It must be embarassing to be on the same side as such dingbats. - 31/10/2009 09:28:16 AM 893 Views
Don't expect rationality from Cannoli... - 31/10/2009 02:01:45 PM 959 Views
Or logical trains of thought from fionwe1987.... - 01/11/2009 01:07:06 AM 937 Views
Re: Or logical trains of thought from fionwe1987.... - 01/11/2009 04:30:21 AM 924 Views
Re: Or logical trains of thought from fionwe1987.... - 01/11/2009 08:41:58 AM 898 Views
Re: Or logical trains of thought from fionwe1987.... - 05/11/2009 02:40:16 AM 864 Views
Re: It must be embarassing to be on the same side as such dingbats. - 01/11/2009 12:31:10 AM 835 Views
I have one question - 01/11/2009 07:12:23 AM 875 Views
Capture, NOT kill, and she herself said the sa'angreal made that impossible. - 01/11/2009 07:59:44 AM 856 Views
Capture OR kill - 01/11/2009 09:12:08 AM 912 Views
Egwene isn't ta'veren - 31/10/2009 05:57:54 AM 779 Views
Re: Egwene isn't ta'veren - 31/10/2009 11:01:54 AM 800 Views
Events do seem to suggest otherwise. *NM* - 31/10/2009 04:40:42 PM 499 Views
I see Cannoll is still going strong about Egwene... - 01/11/2009 08:40:17 PM 867 Views
There were a few instances in the book where Egwene really bothered me. - 02/11/2009 12:54:10 AM 822 Views
Egwene's always been a hypocrite - 02/11/2009 02:06:58 PM 1000 Views

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