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Asmodean Elder Haman Send a noteboard - 24/10/2009 10:31:22 PM
I'm warning you. SPOILERS. Are you sure you want to read it? You've waited for so long to find out...are you sure you want to read? Well, I warned you.

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Rand figures out where Graendal's hiding place is in tGS. Rand sends a messenger into Graendal and when the messenger comes out under the influence of compulsion, Rand knows for sure Greandal is in there. Rand takes out the male Choedan Kal and balefires the entire building. Now that's one way to get rid of a Forsaken and not take any chances.

Two questions spring to mind. First, was Graendal still inside, or did she gate out as soon as she compulsed the messenger, but before Rand balefires the place?

If we assume Graendal was still inside the palace, and if we assume that Graendal killed Asmodean, the second question is this: Did Rand erase enough of Graendal's thread to go all the way back to Asmodean's death? Hmmm. We never find the answer to that question in tGS, but I'm guessing that Rand did kill Graendal far enough back and that Asmodean will pop up, alive and well, in the next book. What happens after that is anyone's guess. I'm thinking Asmo tries to go to Rand and Rand sees him and lashes out thinking Asmo betrayed him.

So for all of these years, we've argued about who killed Asmodean. It was Graendal. But because Rand undid what Graendal did, and because I predict that Rand will kill Asmodean in the next book or two, it will actually be Rand who kills Asmodean.

Okay, I get all the credit for this theory. This plot twist just shows how awesome RJ is and how complex, forward thinking he can be. Just like when we find out that Verin is Black Ajah and she joined the Black Ajah just so she could gather names and expose them. Too bad when Verin exposes the Blacks to Egwene that Verin ends up dead. For all of the Egwene haters, Verin's sacrifice will add fodder for your cannons. Basically, Verin realizes that the worth of one soul is not as great as exposing the Blacks and saving many. She sacrifices herself to save many. Anyway, I got off topic...

I predict the following: Because we do not know at the end of tGS who killed Asmodean, but we do have a good idea that Rand balefired Graendal way, way, way back in time that Asmodean's killer is revealed by his re-emergence/re-appearance in a subsequent book. If we see Asmodean, alive and well, then there is no doubt that Graendal killed him the first time. But because Rand doesn't know this, Rand thinks Asmodean betrayed him, and Rand kills Asmodean. Rand ends up being Asmodean's final killer.

RJ is a great writer, and I'm patting myself on the back for figuring this all out. Damn I'm good.

The other alternative, of course, is that Graendal is dead and Asmodean never shows back up alive. In which case, Graendal didn't do it the first time, and let the speculation begin. She certainly didn't reveal anything in tGS about whether she did it.

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This message last edited by Elder Haman on 24/10/2009 at 10:41:45 PM
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Asmodean - 24/10/2009 10:31:22 PM 4877 Views
it's impossible to balefire someone back that far, I think - 24/10/2009 10:50:40 PM 977 Views
I agree - 24/10/2009 11:46:10 PM 860 Views
Re: Asmodean - 24/10/2009 11:28:49 PM 880 Views
Those were his words for Sammael, not Asmodean. - 24/10/2009 11:55:39 PM 971 Views
What if Asmodean himself had been balefired? - 24/10/2009 11:52:28 PM 897 Views
See my post w/Sammael in the title. - 24/10/2009 11:58:00 PM 747 Views
balefire doesn't undo balefire *NM* - 26/10/2009 12:54:03 AM 418 Views
Re: Asmodean - 25/10/2009 04:46:32 AM 908 Views
I agree that it decreases the chances somewhat... - 25/10/2009 06:12:43 AM 797 Views
Re: I agree that it decreases the chances somewhat... - 25/10/2009 07:28:39 AM 809 Views
It seems you missed the part.... - 26/10/2009 03:52:01 PM 1001 Views
I agree with you - 28/10/2009 04:12:42 PM 708 Views
She's done a lot of other stuff since then - 28/10/2009 07:03:44 PM 786 Views
I'm pretty sure Sanderson said he would reveal who killed Asmodean - 18/11/2009 08:59:48 PM 686 Views
Re: Asmodean - 18/01/2010 09:23:01 PM 831 Views
Re: Asmodean - 18/01/2010 10:57:42 PM 840 Views

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