But in that case everyones actions are meaningless, Rand might aswell go to Illian docks and make himself available to sailors for the "good" stuff.
Sure, he could if he wanted to. However, it is important to remember that even though everyone's actions are meaningless in the big picture, they matter to the characters themselves.We know the Dark One doesn't win, otherwise it would be a rubbish story.
It would depend on how it was done. Sometimes having the bad guys win can make for a marvelous ending.You have to look at these things in a relative way, important to the story, not the paradoxical universe that could never happen and is just the figment of someones imagination.
First of all, I have to do nothing of the sort. Secondly the "paradoxical universe" that I was talking about is the same as the "real" one that you are talking about. It is also still just the figment of someone's (in this case, Robert Jordan's) imagination.You're trying to argue philosophy (a poor excuse for actual science) with the wrong person. Without Moiraine the DO would have Rand and would be free and have won, end of story.
Science is a philosophy, but philosophy is more than science. Philosophy is the study of thought.Also, you're wrong. Rand is ta'veren. The Pattern spun him out for a purpose, and it gives him what he needs to accomplish that purpose. It gave him Moiraine, and yes, she helped him. A little anyway, at first.
If she hadn't been there, someone else would have picked up the slack, and Rand still would have been fine. You have argued that that argument is invalid; that even if someone else could have done what Moiraine did, she is the one who actually did it. By this logic, Master Hightower is one of the most important people in the fight against the Shadow. He took everyone on the first ferry trip as you will recall. Without him, Rand and Moiraine and everyone else never would have made it out of the Two Rivers. Pretty silly huh?
I also need to point out that in every book except the Eye of the World, Moiraine's plans and goals are just plain wrong, and more often than not would play directly into the Dark One's hands. For the vast majority of the series, Rand succeeds in spite of Moiraine, not because of her.
Which character (besides Rand) has hurt the shadow the most? (my analysis and your opinion)
17/10/2009 05:16:34 AM
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I'd say Mat
17/10/2009 04:40:48 PM
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are you sure?
17/10/2009 04:48:01 PM
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Not to downplay Nynaeve
17/10/2009 08:40:45 PM
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Beg to differ, the "endless summer" was VERY important to the shadow
17/10/2009 10:44:15 PM
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Re: Beg to differ, the "endless summer" was VERY important to the shadow
18/10/2009 11:10:20 PM
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believe what you want, but if the weather hadn't changed when it did TG would be over by now. *NM*
18/10/2009 11:56:09 PM
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It has to be Moiraine
17/10/2009 05:00:32 PM
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Actually there were a couple of versions that happened, and Moiraine came in neither.
17/10/2009 05:32:52 PM
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So you think the story would have panned out
17/10/2009 05:46:46 PM
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That's highly subjective
17/10/2009 08:52:17 PM
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I think you know exactly what I mean.
17/10/2009 10:53:40 PM
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All of them
18/10/2009 12:09:55 AM
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Those were only visions
18/10/2009 12:45:32 AM
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They may have only been visions...
18/10/2009 09:19:05 AM
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"Every possible outcome to a given situation is the actual outcome somewhere"
18/10/2009 04:45:44 PM
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Re: "Every possible outcome to a given situation is the actual outcome somewhere"
18/10/2009 06:51:42 PM
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It's almost irrelevant- the Dragon Reborn was Foretold
18/10/2009 02:07:47 AM
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Does that mean he'd win?
18/10/2009 04:47:56 PM
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IIRC the prophecies don't say anything about whether the DR will win.
18/10/2009 05:05:03 PM
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Re: Which character (besides Rand) has hurt the shadow the most? (my analysis and your opinion)
17/10/2009 05:26:26 PM
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Someone needs to re-adjust their meds
18/10/2009 05:55:58 AM
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I wouldn't bother justifying yourself to him
18/10/2009 05:41:42 PM
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That is true for most people if not all
18/10/2009 11:28:44 PM
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He's got a point though...
21/10/2009 11:18:38 AM
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"Always fight back! Never justify" Internet discussion rules 101.
21/10/2009 04:37:32 PM
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Ishamael/Moridin
17/10/2009 06:44:35 PM
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Good call
17/10/2009 10:55:38 PM
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Not to mention I think he's more interested in self preservation at this moment
18/10/2009 07:18:28 AM
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lol It goes to show that even when you think you're doing evil, the Pattern makes it good. *NM*
18/10/2009 06:25:08 PM
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You make it sound very simple
18/10/2009 10:47:57 PM
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No - it is very simple
19/10/2009 05:01:44 AM
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I'm going with Nynaeve.
18/10/2009 06:23:55 PM
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