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lol It goes to show that even when you think you're doing evil, the Pattern makes it good. *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman Send a noteboard - 18/10/2009 06:25:08 PM

Ishamael has hurt the Shadow more than any of the main protagonists of the Light have.

Even in the War of Power, he was more concerned about turning Lews Therin than killing him. When Rand was born he had direct access to him on countless occasions but tried to taunt and convert him, rather than kill him. This applies to all of the ta'veren.

He injured Moiraine instead of killing her, and she became one of Rand's most valuable advisors, and the reason Lanfear failed against Rand.

Even since his rebirth he has forbidden his Forsaken to kill Rand, and he actively rescued Rand against Sammael. He didn't even fight at the Cleansing, and told the Forsaken to kill Rand only if they really have to.

His desire to have the Dragon as his puppet and subordinate has been the biggest detriment to the Shadow since the War of Power.
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Which character (besides Rand) has hurt the shadow the most? (my analysis and your opinion) RabidWombat - 17/10/2009 05:16:34 AM 1472 Views
Nyneave wins hands down Isaac - 17/10/2009 05:22:08 AM 739 Views
Nyneave has done more fairfax - 17/10/2009 06:42:26 AM 707 Views
Nynaeve! Fantasy - 17/10/2009 04:12:00 PM 657 Views
I'd say Mat BlackAdder - 17/10/2009 04:40:48 PM 726 Views
are you sure? NaClH2O - 17/10/2009 04:48:01 PM 746 Views
Not to downplay Nynaeve BlackAdder - 17/10/2009 08:40:45 PM 740 Views
Beg to differ, the "endless summer" was VERY important to the shadow NaClH2O - 17/10/2009 10:44:15 PM 933 Views
Re: Beg to differ, the "endless summer" was VERY important to the shadow BlackAdder - 18/10/2009 11:10:20 PM 659 Views
believe what you want, but if the weather hadn't changed when it did TG would be over by now. *NM* NaClH2O - 18/10/2009 11:56:09 PM 320 Views
Actually, there might be a better reason for why it mattered. Lord Haart - 10/12/2009 07:03:32 PM 707 Views
Immaterial. NaClH2O - 10/12/2009 07:48:51 PM 578 Views
It has to be Moiraine TheCrownless - 17/10/2009 05:00:32 PM 771 Views
Actually there were a couple of versions that happened, and Moiraine came in neither. Cannoli - 17/10/2009 05:32:52 PM 828 Views
So you think the story would have panned out TheCrownless - 17/10/2009 05:46:46 PM 591 Views
None. *NM* BlackAdder - 17/10/2009 08:43:08 PM 308 Views
That's highly subjective ranagrande - 17/10/2009 08:52:17 PM 648 Views
Re: That's highly subjective BlackAdder - 17/10/2009 08:54:52 PM 588 Views
I think you know exactly what I mean. TheCrownless - 17/10/2009 10:53:40 PM 607 Views
All of them ranagrande - 18/10/2009 12:09:55 AM 725 Views
Those were only visions TheCrownless - 18/10/2009 12:45:32 AM 614 Views
They may have only been visions... ranagrande - 18/10/2009 09:19:05 AM 662 Views
"Every possible outcome to a given situation is the actual outcome somewhere" TheCrownless - 18/10/2009 04:45:44 PM 610 Views
Re: "Every possible outcome to a given situation is the actual outcome somewhere" ranagrande - 18/10/2009 06:51:42 PM 746 Views
That all goes without saying TheCrownless - 18/10/2009 07:26:06 PM 535 Views
I disagree ranagrande - 18/10/2009 07:58:37 PM 628 Views
Re: I disagree TheCrownless - 18/10/2009 10:04:27 PM 621 Views
It's almost irrelevant- the Dragon Reborn was Foretold beetnemesis - 18/10/2009 02:07:47 AM 584 Views
Does that mean he'd win? TheCrownless - 18/10/2009 04:47:56 PM 623 Views
IIRC the prophecies don't say anything about whether the DR will win. BlackAdder - 18/10/2009 05:05:03 PM 565 Views
Not really what I was arguing. TheCrownless - 18/10/2009 05:30:05 PM 590 Views
Good points RabidWombat - 18/10/2009 06:14:08 AM 687 Views
the BCS is not a good system *NM* ranagrande - 18/10/2009 09:08:25 AM 308 Views
Re: Which character (besides Rand) has hurt the shadow the most? (my analysis and your opinion) Cannoli - 17/10/2009 05:26:26 PM 845 Views
Someone needs to re-adjust their meds RabidWombat - 18/10/2009 05:55:58 AM 718 Views
I wouldn't bother justifying yourself to him TheCrownless - 18/10/2009 05:41:42 PM 618 Views
That is true for most people if not all RabidWombat - 18/10/2009 11:28:44 PM 638 Views
He's got a point though... Cannoli - 21/10/2009 11:18:38 AM 698 Views
"Always fight back! Never justify" Internet discussion rules 101. TheCrownless - 21/10/2009 04:37:32 PM 602 Views
Damn skippy! *NM* Cannoli - 21/10/2009 11:17:36 AM 297 Views
Ishamael/Moridin Sidious - 17/10/2009 06:44:35 PM 857 Views
Good call TheCrownless - 17/10/2009 10:55:38 PM 683 Views
Not to mention I think he's more interested in self preservation at this moment Ryan - 18/10/2009 07:18:28 AM 547 Views
Re: Ishamael/Moridin ranagrande - 18/10/2009 09:21:29 AM 758 Views
lol It goes to show that even when you think you're doing evil, the Pattern makes it good. *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 18/10/2009 06:25:08 PM 287 Views
You make it sound very simple BlackAdder - 18/10/2009 10:47:57 PM 671 Views
No - it is very simple Sidious - 19/10/2009 05:01:44 AM 646 Views
Not necessarily- Digital_Eon - 19/10/2009 09:22:16 PM 652 Views
surely a draw meant resealing TheCrownless - 20/10/2009 03:56:49 PM 589 Views
I'm going with Nynaeve. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 18/10/2009 06:23:55 PM 697 Views
Re: I'm going with Nynaeve. BlackAdder - 18/10/2009 10:56:06 PM 767 Views
Re: I'm going with Nynaeve. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 18/10/2009 11:22:36 PM 730 Views
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