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lol It goes to show that even when you think you're doing evil, the Pattern makes it good. *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman Send a noteboard - 18/10/2009 06:25:08 PM

Ishamael has hurt the Shadow more than any of the main protagonists of the Light have.

Even in the War of Power, he was more concerned about turning Lews Therin than killing him. When Rand was born he had direct access to him on countless occasions but tried to taunt and convert him, rather than kill him. This applies to all of the ta'veren.

He injured Moiraine instead of killing her, and she became one of Rand's most valuable advisors, and the reason Lanfear failed against Rand.

Even since his rebirth he has forbidden his Forsaken to kill Rand, and he actively rescued Rand against Sammael. He didn't even fight at the Cleansing, and told the Forsaken to kill Rand only if they really have to.

His desire to have the Dragon as his puppet and subordinate has been the biggest detriment to the Shadow since the War of Power.
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Which character (besides Rand) has hurt the shadow the most? (my analysis and your opinion) - 17/10/2009 05:16:34 AM 1538 Views
Nyneave wins hands down - 17/10/2009 05:22:08 AM 797 Views
Nyneave has done more - 17/10/2009 06:42:26 AM 770 Views
Nynaeve! - 17/10/2009 04:12:00 PM 716 Views
I'd say Mat - 17/10/2009 04:40:48 PM 794 Views
are you sure? - 17/10/2009 04:48:01 PM 817 Views
Not to downplay Nynaeve - 17/10/2009 08:40:45 PM 784 Views
Beg to differ, the "endless summer" was VERY important to the shadow - 17/10/2009 10:44:15 PM 1006 Views
Re: Beg to differ, the "endless summer" was VERY important to the shadow - 18/10/2009 11:10:20 PM 718 Views
believe what you want, but if the weather hadn't changed when it did TG would be over by now. *NM* - 18/10/2009 11:56:09 PM 343 Views
Actually, there might be a better reason for why it mattered. - 10/12/2009 07:03:32 PM 768 Views
Immaterial. - 10/12/2009 07:48:51 PM 633 Views
It has to be Moiraine - 17/10/2009 05:00:32 PM 820 Views
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So you think the story would have panned out - 17/10/2009 05:46:46 PM 650 Views
None. *NM* - 17/10/2009 08:43:08 PM 332 Views
That's highly subjective - 17/10/2009 08:52:17 PM 705 Views
Re: That's highly subjective - 17/10/2009 08:54:52 PM 652 Views
I think you know exactly what I mean. - 17/10/2009 10:53:40 PM 658 Views
All of them - 18/10/2009 12:09:55 AM 783 Views
Those were only visions - 18/10/2009 12:45:32 AM 676 Views
They may have only been visions... - 18/10/2009 09:19:05 AM 719 Views
"Every possible outcome to a given situation is the actual outcome somewhere" - 18/10/2009 04:45:44 PM 665 Views
Re: "Every possible outcome to a given situation is the actual outcome somewhere" - 18/10/2009 06:51:42 PM 797 Views
That all goes without saying - 18/10/2009 07:26:06 PM 588 Views
I disagree - 18/10/2009 07:58:37 PM 689 Views
Re: I disagree - 18/10/2009 10:04:27 PM 680 Views
It's almost irrelevant- the Dragon Reborn was Foretold - 18/10/2009 02:07:47 AM 643 Views
Does that mean he'd win? - 18/10/2009 04:47:56 PM 673 Views
IIRC the prophecies don't say anything about whether the DR will win. - 18/10/2009 05:05:03 PM 621 Views
Not really what I was arguing. - 18/10/2009 05:30:05 PM 643 Views
Good points - 18/10/2009 06:14:08 AM 748 Views
the BCS is not a good system *NM* - 18/10/2009 09:08:25 AM 332 Views
Re: Which character (besides Rand) has hurt the shadow the most? (my analysis and your opinion) - 17/10/2009 05:26:26 PM 914 Views
Someone needs to re-adjust their meds - 18/10/2009 05:55:58 AM 777 Views
I wouldn't bother justifying yourself to him - 18/10/2009 05:41:42 PM 685 Views
That is true for most people if not all - 18/10/2009 11:28:44 PM 698 Views
He's got a point though... - 21/10/2009 11:18:38 AM 752 Views
"Always fight back! Never justify" Internet discussion rules 101. - 21/10/2009 04:37:32 PM 655 Views
Damn skippy! *NM* - 21/10/2009 11:17:36 AM 327 Views
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Good call - 17/10/2009 10:55:38 PM 735 Views
Re: Ishamael/Moridin - 18/10/2009 09:21:29 AM 823 Views
lol It goes to show that even when you think you're doing evil, the Pattern makes it good. *NM* - 18/10/2009 06:25:08 PM 312 Views
You make it sound very simple - 18/10/2009 10:47:57 PM 737 Views
No - it is very simple - 19/10/2009 05:01:44 AM 701 Views
Not necessarily- - 19/10/2009 09:22:16 PM 710 Views
surely a draw meant resealing - 20/10/2009 03:56:49 PM 649 Views
I'm going with Nynaeve. - 18/10/2009 06:23:55 PM 767 Views
Re: I'm going with Nynaeve. - 18/10/2009 10:56:06 PM 824 Views
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