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Does that mean he'd win? TheCrownless Send a noteboard - 18/10/2009 04:47:56 PM
Foretelling always happens. Always Just like with Min's visions. Sometimes there's an if/than statement (Min's definitely had those, I forget if Elaida has, it's been implied that Gitara did), but if something is Foretold to happen, it'll happen.


So, it makes this conversation kind of iffy. If Moiraine hadn't come, it stands to reason that Rand would have been declared in some other way. Or perhaps it is because of Moiraine's natural stubborness and drive that this was Foretold.

All those other realities couldn't have happened, for the very reason that Rand wasn't the proclaimed Dragon in them.



He could quite possibly have fullfiled many of the other scenarios.

Either way, the fortelling decided Moiranes "destiny" just because it could have been someone else doesn't mean she didn't do what she did.
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Which character (besides Rand) has hurt the shadow the most? (my analysis and your opinion) RabidWombat - 17/10/2009 05:16:34 AM 1472 Views
Nyneave wins hands down Isaac - 17/10/2009 05:22:08 AM 740 Views
Nyneave has done more fairfax - 17/10/2009 06:42:26 AM 707 Views
Nynaeve! Fantasy - 17/10/2009 04:12:00 PM 657 Views
I'd say Mat BlackAdder - 17/10/2009 04:40:48 PM 726 Views
are you sure? NaClH2O - 17/10/2009 04:48:01 PM 746 Views
Not to downplay Nynaeve BlackAdder - 17/10/2009 08:40:45 PM 740 Views
Beg to differ, the "endless summer" was VERY important to the shadow NaClH2O - 17/10/2009 10:44:15 PM 933 Views
Re: Beg to differ, the "endless summer" was VERY important to the shadow BlackAdder - 18/10/2009 11:10:20 PM 660 Views
believe what you want, but if the weather hadn't changed when it did TG would be over by now. *NM* NaClH2O - 18/10/2009 11:56:09 PM 321 Views
Actually, there might be a better reason for why it mattered. Lord Haart - 10/12/2009 07:03:32 PM 707 Views
Immaterial. NaClH2O - 10/12/2009 07:48:51 PM 578 Views
It has to be Moiraine TheCrownless - 17/10/2009 05:00:32 PM 771 Views
Actually there were a couple of versions that happened, and Moiraine came in neither. Cannoli - 17/10/2009 05:32:52 PM 828 Views
So you think the story would have panned out TheCrownless - 17/10/2009 05:46:46 PM 591 Views
None. *NM* BlackAdder - 17/10/2009 08:43:08 PM 308 Views
That's highly subjective ranagrande - 17/10/2009 08:52:17 PM 648 Views
Re: That's highly subjective BlackAdder - 17/10/2009 08:54:52 PM 589 Views
I think you know exactly what I mean. TheCrownless - 17/10/2009 10:53:40 PM 607 Views
All of them ranagrande - 18/10/2009 12:09:55 AM 725 Views
Those were only visions TheCrownless - 18/10/2009 12:45:32 AM 614 Views
They may have only been visions... ranagrande - 18/10/2009 09:19:05 AM 662 Views
"Every possible outcome to a given situation is the actual outcome somewhere" TheCrownless - 18/10/2009 04:45:44 PM 610 Views
Re: "Every possible outcome to a given situation is the actual outcome somewhere" ranagrande - 18/10/2009 06:51:42 PM 746 Views
That all goes without saying TheCrownless - 18/10/2009 07:26:06 PM 535 Views
I disagree ranagrande - 18/10/2009 07:58:37 PM 629 Views
Re: I disagree TheCrownless - 18/10/2009 10:04:27 PM 621 Views
It's almost irrelevant- the Dragon Reborn was Foretold beetnemesis - 18/10/2009 02:07:47 AM 584 Views
Does that mean he'd win? TheCrownless - 18/10/2009 04:47:56 PM 624 Views
IIRC the prophecies don't say anything about whether the DR will win. BlackAdder - 18/10/2009 05:05:03 PM 566 Views
Not really what I was arguing. TheCrownless - 18/10/2009 05:30:05 PM 590 Views
Good points RabidWombat - 18/10/2009 06:14:08 AM 687 Views
the BCS is not a good system *NM* ranagrande - 18/10/2009 09:08:25 AM 309 Views
Re: Which character (besides Rand) has hurt the shadow the most? (my analysis and your opinion) Cannoli - 17/10/2009 05:26:26 PM 845 Views
Someone needs to re-adjust their meds RabidWombat - 18/10/2009 05:55:58 AM 719 Views
I wouldn't bother justifying yourself to him TheCrownless - 18/10/2009 05:41:42 PM 618 Views
That is true for most people if not all RabidWombat - 18/10/2009 11:28:44 PM 638 Views
He's got a point though... Cannoli - 21/10/2009 11:18:38 AM 698 Views
"Always fight back! Never justify" Internet discussion rules 101. TheCrownless - 21/10/2009 04:37:32 PM 602 Views
Damn skippy! *NM* Cannoli - 21/10/2009 11:17:36 AM 298 Views
Ishamael/Moridin Sidious - 17/10/2009 06:44:35 PM 858 Views
Good call TheCrownless - 17/10/2009 10:55:38 PM 683 Views
Not to mention I think he's more interested in self preservation at this moment Ryan - 18/10/2009 07:18:28 AM 547 Views
Re: Ishamael/Moridin ranagrande - 18/10/2009 09:21:29 AM 758 Views
lol It goes to show that even when you think you're doing evil, the Pattern makes it good. *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 18/10/2009 06:25:08 PM 287 Views
You make it sound very simple BlackAdder - 18/10/2009 10:47:57 PM 671 Views
No - it is very simple Sidious - 19/10/2009 05:01:44 AM 646 Views
Not necessarily- Digital_Eon - 19/10/2009 09:22:16 PM 652 Views
surely a draw meant resealing TheCrownless - 20/10/2009 03:56:49 PM 590 Views
I'm going with Nynaeve. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 18/10/2009 06:23:55 PM 697 Views
Re: I'm going with Nynaeve. BlackAdder - 18/10/2009 10:56:06 PM 767 Views
Re: I'm going with Nynaeve. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 18/10/2009 11:22:36 PM 730 Views
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