I look at things a different way, forgetting the actual events that hurt the shadow.
Where would be be in the story now without her? If any of the others were missing things would be worse, but Rand aside she'd been the catalyst for everything, theres a vision Rand has where he is an old man fightin trolloc's in the two rivers, this is what would have happened without her.
Where would be be in the story now without her? If any of the others were missing things would be worse, but Rand aside she'd been the catalyst for everything, theres a vision Rand has where he is an old man fightin trolloc's in the two rivers, this is what would have happened without her.
You make a good point. I certainly rate Moiraine high on my list. I am not so confident as to give any character an exact number. My main problem is that this relies too much on speculation about what might have happened. There are thousands of events that might have equal if not greater importance; we will never know though because we haven't had a vision of them. Some of those events in the visions you mentioned had Moiraine coming for Rand and Rand still losing.
Nynaeve ticks most boxes, but she never playes a major role in most of them, Moiraine and Lan where a two man army against the shadow for almost 20 years.
I love this quote. You are so right; My gut feeling, though, is that whatever the correct rating system is that Nynaeve will be very close to the top if not at the top.
It is amazing how well relatively unsophisticated models of ranking things works. (As long as they make a modestly unbiased attempt to include relevant parameters.) We can see something like this in College football with the various ranking systems. The top 10 will be different for each ranking system but they will agree in spirit much more then they disagree. They are sophisticated systems yet ask any modestly knowledgeable football fan to make their own top 10 and their ranking will be pretty good as long as they base it on facts and not personal fantasy.
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Which character (besides Rand) has hurt the shadow the most? (my analysis and your opinion)
- 17/10/2009 05:16:34 AM
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I'd say Mat
- 17/10/2009 04:40:48 PM
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are you sure?
- 17/10/2009 04:48:01 PM
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Not to downplay Nynaeve
- 17/10/2009 08:40:45 PM
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Beg to differ, the "endless summer" was VERY important to the shadow
- 17/10/2009 10:44:15 PM
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Re: Beg to differ, the "endless summer" was VERY important to the shadow
- 18/10/2009 11:10:20 PM
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believe what you want, but if the weather hadn't changed when it did TG would be over by now. *NM*
- 18/10/2009 11:56:09 PM
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It has to be Moiraine
- 17/10/2009 05:00:32 PM
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Actually there were a couple of versions that happened, and Moiraine came in neither.
- 17/10/2009 05:32:52 PM
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So you think the story would have panned out
- 17/10/2009 05:46:46 PM
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That's highly subjective
- 17/10/2009 08:52:17 PM
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I think you know exactly what I mean.
- 17/10/2009 10:53:40 PM
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All of them 
- 18/10/2009 12:09:55 AM
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- 18/10/2009 12:09:55 AM
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Those were only visions
- 18/10/2009 12:45:32 AM
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They may have only been visions...
- 18/10/2009 09:19:05 AM
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"Every possible outcome to a given situation is the actual outcome somewhere"
- 18/10/2009 04:45:44 PM
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Re: "Every possible outcome to a given situation is the actual outcome somewhere"
- 18/10/2009 06:51:42 PM
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It's almost irrelevant- the Dragon Reborn was Foretold
- 18/10/2009 02:07:47 AM
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Does that mean he'd win?
- 18/10/2009 04:47:56 PM
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IIRC the prophecies don't say anything about whether the DR will win.
- 18/10/2009 05:05:03 PM
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Good points
- 18/10/2009 06:14:08 AM
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Re: Which character (besides Rand) has hurt the shadow the most? (my analysis and your opinion)
- 17/10/2009 05:26:26 PM
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Someone needs to re-adjust their meds
- 18/10/2009 05:55:58 AM
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I wouldn't bother justifying yourself to him
- 18/10/2009 05:41:42 PM
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That is true for most people if not all
- 18/10/2009 11:28:44 PM
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He's got a point though...
- 21/10/2009 11:18:38 AM
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"Always fight back! Never justify" Internet discussion rules 101.
- 21/10/2009 04:37:32 PM
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Ishamael/Moridin
- 17/10/2009 06:44:35 PM
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Good call
- 17/10/2009 10:55:38 PM
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Not to mention I think he's more interested in self preservation at this moment
- 18/10/2009 07:18:28 AM
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lol It goes to show that even when you think you're doing evil, the Pattern makes it good. *NM*
- 18/10/2009 06:25:08 PM
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You make it sound very simple
- 18/10/2009 10:47:57 PM
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No - it is very simple
- 19/10/2009 05:01:44 AM
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I'm going with Nynaeve.
- 18/10/2009 06:23:55 PM
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